Obama Suggests Jesus Christ Not the Only Way to Heaven

[asleepathewheel]

I'm not sure if Jesus is the only way to get to heaven, but I do know that when I'm feeling sinister, I go see my minister-to try vainly to take away the pain from being a hopeless unbeliever.

[Alexander I]

Re: Obama Suggests Jesus Christ Not the Only Way to Heaven

Originally posted by MarkG
or just the mormons as south park suggests?

The funny thing about that is that Mormons don't actually believe that it's only LDS people who go to heaven.

"...In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you." - John 14:2

[UnOrthOdOx]

Depends on your definition of LDS "heaven". They do believe only LDS members go to the "Celestial Kingdom". And that only those married in the Temple achieve the highest degree within the Celestial Kingdom.

[Wezil]

I think it is the Jehovah's that have a limit on heaven admission. Only so many seats apparently.

[UnOrthOdOx]

Originally posted by LotC


Sure, if you call mind reading zombies good.

I like zombies! But the question is, if JC is a zombie, who is the Bocor?

[Alexander I]

Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx
Depends on your definition of LDS "heaven". They do believe only LDS members go to the "Celestial Kingdom". And that only those married in the Temple achieve the highest degree within the Celestial Kingdom.

The Celestial Kingdom is not just reserved for LDS members.

The qualifications are actually along these lines:

"...they who received the testimony of Jesus," "[those] who overcome by faith, and are sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, which the Father sheds forth upon all those who are just and true...," "those who abide a celestial law," AND/OR

"All who have died without a knowledge of this gospel, who would have received it if they had been permitted to tarry, shall be heirs of the celestial kingdom of God."

And anyway, the Celestial Kingdom is only part of Heaven. LDS people believe that salvation through Jesus Christ will ultimately reach the vast majority of people in at least some way.

The Terrestrial Kingdom is for: "they who were not valiant in their testimony."

The Telestial Kingdom is for: "the [wicked] who were thrust down to hell, but are redeemed from the devil at the last Resurrection [end of the Millenium]."

But anyway, I don't want this to turn into a threadjack, and I'm confident Mr. Obama doesn't see these things quite the same way I do.

Originally posted by Wezil
I think it is the Jehovah's that have a limit on heaven admission. Only so many seats apparently.

The Jehovah's Witnesses have the 144,000, IIRC.

[UnOrthOdOx]

Originally posted by Alexander I


The Celestial Kingdom is not just reserved for LDS members.

The qualifications are actually along these lines:

"...they who received the testimony of Jesus," "[those] who overcome by faith, and are sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, which the Father sheds forth upon all those who are just and true...," "those who abide a celestial law," AND/OR

"All who have died without a knowledge of this gospel, who would have received it if they had been permitted to tarry, shall be heirs of the celestial kingdom of God."

You're sorta leaving out the key requirements of being BAPTISED and receiving the Gift of the Holy Ghost. I can quote lds.org if you really want.

Ya know, one of the main reasons of the Temples and all. Baptisms for the dead. So, even those that die WILL be baptised, and WILL be members of the church prior to gaining the Celestial Glory.

As for the differing degrees...well, that's a topic for another time. Outer Darkness is reserved for me anyway. I have a snow cone stand set up there already.

[Alexander I]

Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx
You're sorta leaving out the key requirements of being BAPTISED and receiving the Gift of the Holy Ghost. I can quote lds.org if you really want.

Oh, you know there's more ordinances than just those that are required for exaltation...

Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx
As for the differing degrees...well, that's a topic for another time. Outer Darkness is reserved for me anyway. I have a snow cone stand set up there already.

Ha, yeah right. It takes a lot more than you'll ever do to get condemned to Outer Darkness.

[Robert]

Nobody goes to heaven.
Earth will be renewed and we will be on the new earth.

Everybody who's perfect can enter the new earth. Those who will cause (even the smallest) problems can't enter for obvious reason. It wouldn't be paradise anymore.

Conclusion: if you're perfect there's nothing to be scared about.

[Robert]

Oh, and protestants protest(ed) against:
- catholic possibility to buy yourself into heaven
- catholic tradition of worshipping / praying to saints
- catholics valueing their tradition equal to the Bible
- pope being the representator of Christ on earth
- more of that stuff

[SlowwHand]

I think the remarks here about not caring for the mother is pretty crappy. It's worse than crappy, but I don't feel like starting in about it heavily.

[DinoDoc]

I have to say that his opinion on the spiritual fate of his mother doesn't really give me as much cause for concern as the fact that he went to a church that espoused Liberation Theology.

[Robert]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


Unless I die in confession I'll be in purgatory.

Purgatory is the purification for all those who are saved, just as the bible says, that our works will be tested by fire. Those who get through will be rewarded, but those who fail will enter only as one escaping through the fire.

Forgot about that.
This is what protestants protest against as well.

[Robert]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi




I prefer to think of it as using their own weapons against them.

You're not really good at it
It's not for no reason that the catholic church usually uses the tradition! The Bible doesn't serve the catholic position very well

[Robert]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
It's our book more then yours Gramps.

We wrote it for you.

I don't wanna be a nitpick, but it wasn't written by the catholics, it was written by the jews. :P