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  • #31
    I thought conservatives liked it when the courts enforced the laws as written:
    We do. The law as written is silent on homeschooling. Ergo, it is an intrusion to extend and expand the law.
    Last edited by Ben Kenobi; March 8, 2008, 17:24.
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    • #32
      Within the context of the state's compulsory education laws, homeschooling remains a controversial issue. This is because statute is silent as to whether homeschooling satisfies mandatory attendance laws
      GSM.

      The law applies to truancy for those students who have attended public school, and have left without filing notice with the school.

      It was Hitler, an Austrian who passed a law banning homeschooling in Nazi Germany to ensure that all students were taught by the state and that the children were indoctrinated in nazi ideology. It is Schwartzenegger, an Austrian who carries on his legacy.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by DaShi


        Hitler's dead.
        Thats why they have the secret clones at the secret antarctic base.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


          GSM.

          The law applies to truancy for those students who have attended public school, and have left without filing notice with the school.

          It was Hitler, an Austrian who passed a law banning homeschooling in Nazi Germany to ensure that all students were taught by the state and that the children were indoctrinated in nazi ideology. It is Schwartzenegger, an Austrian who carries on his legacy.
          OMG! Arnold is Adolf!!!
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          • #35
            Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
            It is Schwartzenegger, an Austrian who carries on his legacy.
            Except it was a state court which made this ruling.
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            • #36
              Stop screwing up his ethnic stereotypes you meaniehead!

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              • #37
                Except it was a state court which made this ruling.
                Honestly, I'm surprised you don't see the similarity between the two bills.

                Doesn't that bother you at all?
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                • #38
                  No, because a sane person realizes the difference.
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Wezil
                    I'm the last person to be accused of being religious and I see merit in home schooling. You are making assumptions Oerdin.
                    I'm with you here. It should be the family's choice.
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
                      We do. The law as written is silent on homeschooling. Ergo, it is an intrusion to extend and expand the law.
                      From the article:

                      Those statutes require children ages 6 to 18 to attend a full-time day school, either public or private, or to be instructed by a tutor who holds a state credential for the child's grade level.
                      So there are provisions whereby parents can take their kids out of school, put them into private schools, religious schools, or homeschools, as long as the person doing the instruction has been credentialled.

                      This should put an end to the "OMG, the state is trying to indoctrinate our kids" argument. BTW: What kind of pro-American indoctrination are you afraid of?

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Oerdin


                        Except it was a state court which made this ruling.
                        Thats the whole problem. A court acted as if it were the legislative branch. If the law is silent about homeschooling - the court shouldn't fill in the blanks. It's up to the legislature to make laws - not the courts.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


                          Honestly, I'm surprised you don't see the similarity between the two bills.

                          Doesn't that bother you at all?
                          None. Home schooling is still allowed if the parent is a qualified teacher and if they follow the state teaching curricula guide lines. No more skipping biology just because mom and dad are religious nutters.
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                          • #43
                            I wish I was home schooled...what I did...to those poor frogs...will be with me forever.

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                            • #44
                              So there are provisions whereby parents can take their kids out of school, put them into private schools, religious schools, or homeschools, as long as the person doing the instruction has been credentialled.
                              The state has the ability to make requirements of those who are their employees. Why should the state dictate what private businesses choose to employ? BTW, the private schools do not require credentials, you can teach there without having the certificate.

                              I don't see why the parent should be required to be credentialled, when they have the primary responsibility to raise and teach their children. The state should make sure that they are doing a good job in their schools before they impose these changes on homeschoolers. Is the state going to pay them for going to school to get the credentials? Why should the state impose a tax on parents who are trying to raise and look after their children rather then dumping them on the teachers in public schools?

                              This should put an end to the "OMG, the state is trying to indoctrinate our kids" argument. BTW: What kind of pro-American indoctrination are you afraid of?
                              Why are teachers afraid of what parents teach their children?

                              I have no problem with the content, but with the concept that the state should have control over the children. The state should be giving benefits to homeschoolers, and encouraging them to teach their children well. Failing that they should stay out of the way and let the children succeed if their parents wish to do so.

                              Enforced conformity serves no one, least of all the children.
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                              • #45
                                The best part of dissecting frogs was hooking the spinal cord up to a battery and making the legs move.
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