California court strikes a blow for children; homeschooling virtually outlawed.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
So does that mean that Oerdin didn't know what he was talking about?

Shame on you, DD. I never said anything about "random whining!"

I thought conservatives liked it when the courts enforced the laws as written:

...California law requires parents to send their children to full-time public or private schools or have them taught by credentialed tutors at home.

Some homeschoolers are affiliated with private or charter schools, like the Longs, but others fly under the radar completely. Many homeschooling families avoid truancy laws by registering with the state as a private school and then enroll only their own children.

If the homeschoolers don't like the law, as written, they need to go to the Legislature and change it. We are a nation of laws, not a nation of laws-that-we-like-but-let's-ignore-the-rest.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
Shame on you, DD. I never said anything about "random whining!"

That's what it was and was all I was interested in as it called in Oerdin's assertion that CA gave students a quality education.

I thought conservatives liked it when the courts enforced the laws as written

I never really questioned that. I questioned the assertion that religious zealotry is the only reason one might want to take their kids out of public schools in CA. You've already laid out a fairly good one in your last post.

[aneeshm]

I'm really uncomfortable with this. It basically mandates that it is the state which will teach its doctrine to children, and you have no choice in the matter. Power corrupts. This will not end well.

In fact, even though the state-affiliated education in India is top-notch, I still feel that it could be improved upon, because though it teaches all the necessary things, it does so in an utterly insipid, boring, and fundamentally off-putting manner.

[Dinner]

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[Darius871]

Originally posted by Oerdin
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Considering Zkribbler inadvertently demolished your own arguments, why does he get the ?

[Dinner]

Argument? I have made no argument. Just gave a big to the court ruling.

Oh, and Z and I basically stated the same thing about the California state law. He's even quoting from the article.

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Argument? I have made no argument. Just gave a big to the court ruling.

Oh, and Z and I basically stated the same thing about the California state law. He's even quoting from the article.

Ok... on second thought "premise" or - even better - "assumption" would have been more appropriate. If you can't even see how Z's first post goes against your own comments, well... I don't know a polite way to say that you're a...

meh.

[Jon Miller]

I have seen both bad homeschooling and good. Bad wasn't much worse then the public school option, good was much much better.

JM

[Ben Kenobi]

Are you aware Oerdin, that this law was initiated by Hitler in Nazi Germany in order to ensure that all the children were indoctrinated in the beliefs of the Nazi party?

I don't see why this is anything to cheer for. Indoctrination under the state is a bad, bad problem, and the US is importing ideals that will be extremely corrosive.

Heck, the founders believed that education was an individual responsibility, and not the responsibility of the state because they feared the power of the state to accrue unnecessary and corrupting power.

Why should the state demand that all children come to their schools? Are the children now the responsibility of the state and not their parents?

[Ben Kenobi]

Bottom line: Education of minors is compulsory in California and state law requires teachers to be tested, licensed, and credentialed by the state.

Why are teachers afraid of parents teaching their children?

I see two things that will emerge from this.

1. You will have an explosion of demand for private tutors who do have the credentials.

2. The people who can't get or afford the tutors will leave California for greener pastures elsewhere.

Very, very few home schooling parents have the necissary creditials and most of just religious seporatists who don't want their children knowing anything but religious doctrines.

False. I know many homeschool parents. What are you going to do about children with disabilities who are home with their children because they believe they will get a better education at home, then they will at school? Some of these kids cannot function in the public school environment, due to their conditions, and the only way these kids are going to get an education is if they stay at home.

What about kids who live in rural areas where there are no school? Are they going to be bussed in for 2 hours so that they can attend class?

What about those kids who's parents want to give them a better education then what they have available in the public school, and want to let their kids progress at a faster rate rather then being held back?

Education is not one size fits all, and this is a very, very bad bill. It won't do what you want it to do, and it will hurt many people who will get a downgrade in education.

The only reason the public schools are doing this is because they see homeschooling as a popular competitor and they are seeking to squash them before it becomes the norm.

[Ben Kenobi]

Any person with a college degree could take about a half dozen college courses and get credentialed. I expect a cottage industry of credentialed tutors to now spring up. One tutor could easily work 3-4 families. Give it two years and it will be back the way it was, just slightly more expensive for the homeschoolers who will consider it money well spent

Yep, I'd consider that to be a business opportunity. The only way it gets more expensive will depend on what the tutor will charge. If the tutor is responsible for the materials, and the books for each subject, then the parents could probably save money long term. It's cheaper for a tutor to get all the books for all his students then it is for the parents to get the books himself.

The other thing that will happen is that there will be tutors paid to merely cover the ass of the parents. How can the state dictate how the kids are taught, if the credentialed tutor is getting paid to come in once a month, but the parent is the one who is really teaching the child?

You could make good money doing just that, selling your credentials.

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Are you aware Oerdin, that this law was initiated by Hitler in Nazi Germany in order to ensure that all the children were indoctrinated in the beliefs of the Nazi party?

Hitler's dead.

[Ben Kenobi]

The evil that men do lives after them;
The good is oft interred with their bones;

[Aeson]

I always suspected Hitler had a seat on California's legislature. I'm voting "No" on prop 99 if by "eminent domain" they mean invading Poland!

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Are you aware Oerdin, that this law was initiated by Hitler in Nazi Germany

Wrong, dude.

http://lao.ca.gov/2004/compulsory_ed/020304_Compulsory_Education_Laws.htm

California passed the law in 1913. Isn't that a bit before Hilter's rise to power?