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  • #106
    Originally posted by chegitz guevara


    In both cases, you over estimate the effect of air power. Guantanamo would be overrun fairly quickly. Sure, the U.S could pound Cuba mercilessly, but we'd take some losses.


    I didn't say we wouldn't take some losses...and you vastly underestimate the effect of 1 million tons of ordinance and 1000 US pilots defending US territory

    The main thing Chavez is doing here is backing up his ally, Ecuador. Without Chavez' backing, Ecuador would simply have to take the attack and just stew about it. Poor Ecuador is always getting beat up on by its neighbors.


    I agree that Chavez is just backing up his ally. It is also quite clear that Chavez has been looking for a reason to pound his chest in front of South American media at Colombia's expense. It is far more about his image than Ecuador's soverignty imho.
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    • #107
      Originally posted by chegitz guevara


      Venezuela and Ecuador want a guarantee in writing that Colombia will not violate their territory again.
      I'm sure that Colombia would consider that if Venezuela and Ecuador agreed in writing to expel all rebels in their territory and to not provide any assistance to them eithier physical or monetary.

      Then both sides could go wipe their butts with it for what it would be worth.
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      • #108
        The man is an attention whore.
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        • #109
          Originally posted by DinoDoc
          Do they regularly have FARC opperating in their territory?
          Not that I am aware of. In this case, we don't even know that it was being used as a base of operations. We do know, however, that the leader they killed had been in Ecuador for negotiations for releasing hostages the FARC has. Don't know if that was the case here though.
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          • #110
            Originally posted by PLATO
            I didn't say we wouldn't take some losses...and you vastly underestimate the effect of 1 million tons of ordinance and 1000 US pilots defending US territory.
            I'm not sure we have that many bombs or that many planes in the immediate vicinity to make that happen. The fall of G'itmo would happen well before that much air power could be brought to bear on Cuba.
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            • #111
              Originally posted by Oerdin
              The man is an attention whore.
              So are you, Mr. 48" pizza.
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              • #112
                The only clear winner in an regional war whould be FARC I think. It's their wet dream. Any war that Cuba and Venezuela would fight against the US and still remain soveriegn would be a victory for them. I don't think that the US will occupy either one of those countries. The only question is if either Colombia or Venezuela and Equador could take some territory. My gut tells me Colombia would be the big loser in a war though.
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                • #113
                  What's the point of having an ally if you don't help them when they are attacked? And any war they won against the US would definitely be a successfull war.
                  Yeah, but Cuba wouldn't win. I'd be shocked if they were independent after the war. Oh, the US might not conquer Cuba, but I bet we would have someone of our choosing running the country, and some expanded basing rights outside of Gitmo.
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                  • #114
                    48" Pizzas are a gift from god.
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                    • #115
                      In both cases, you over estimate the effect of air power. Guantanamo would be overrun fairly quickly. Sure, the U.S could pound Cuba mercilessly, but we'd take some losses.
                      Is there something about Cubans that make them immune to cluster bombs and JDAMs?

                      I'm not sure we have that many bombs or that many planes in the immediate vicinity to make that happen.
                      There are rather large USAF bases in Louisiana, Florida, and Texas. All our heavy bombers can attack anywhere in the hemisphere (some world) without rebasing. In 24 hours we could have 10,000 more airfames within striking distance of Cuba on top of the 1000+ already there.

                      Thats the USAF. The Marine Corps and Navy could hadd anotther couple thousand air frames in the same time frame. It is a day and half cruise from JAX to Cuba, from which several cruisers, destroyers, and a carrier could be sortied in sort order (assuming there are none in the area or in workups (fully armed) in the Atlantic operating areas , if there is that response would be faster).

                      And please, give me one reason why the USAF would be so short on bombs as not to be able defend a 20 odd mile fixed perimenter?

                      The fall of G'itmo would happen well before that much air power could be brought to bear on Cuba.
                      Do the Cubans have a 30 minute mobilization time? Why don't you wiki the Cuban military real quik.

                      It's their wet dream. Any war that Cuba and Venezuela would fight against the US and still remain soveriegn would be a victory for them.
                      How does totally failing in your war objectives, having your meger military reduced to ash, and bieng made a ***** constitute a victory?
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                      • #116
                        Originally posted by David Floyd


                        Yeah, but Cuba wouldn't win. I'd be shocked if they were independent after the war. Oh, the US might not conquer Cuba, but I bet we would have someone of our choosing running the country, and some expanded basing rights outside of Gitmo.
                        Why in the world would you think that? The country would turn even more anti-US.
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                        • #117
                          Why in the world would you think that? The country would turn even more anti-US.
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                          • #118
                            Originally posted by Patroklos
                            How does totally failing in your war objectives, having your meger military reduced to ash, and bieng made a ***** constitute a victory?
                            Their objectives will be to remain independent, when the only world super power wants nothing better than to conquer you. Btw, what do you think the US objectives will be that warrant bombing the hell out of Cuba?
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                            • #119
                              Originally posted by Patroklos


                              Oh ****. You are probably one of those people who thought Iraq would be a thriving pro-US democracy right now. There's no way that's ever going to happen in Cuba. Certianly not after another attack. How do you think Fidel has stayed in power for so long. The Bay of Pigs was the worst military mistake in US history.
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                              • #120
                                Kid,

                                Why in the world would you think that? The country would turn even more anti-US.
                                If Cuba attacks Gitmo, we would be more than justified in destroying Cuba. They may turn anti-US, but that's not really the point. Nor would it matter.

                                Their objectives will be to remain independent, when the only world super power wants nothing better than to conquer you. Btw, what do you think the US objectives will be that warrant bombing the hell out of Cuba?
                                Ummm, punish Cuba for attacking Gitmo, perhaps?
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