Daily dose of comedy or the extreme rights' attempts to swiftboat McCain.

[Dinner]

What god fearing Christian doesn't want people murdered by the state? I mean that would like Islam without the beheadings.

[OzzyKP]

It is her right to do what she wishes with HER body, yes. It is NOT her right to do what she wishes with the body of her child. I am pro-choice in that I wish to respect the choice of the baby to live or die.

And I'm against the death penalty as well. And the war.

Death

[dannubis]

"I might not agree with what you say but i would die defending your rigth to say it"

Or something along those lines...

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by OzzyKP
It is her right to do what she wishes with HER body, yes. It is NOT her right to do what she wishes with the body of her child. I am pro-choice in that I wish to respect the choice of the baby to live or die.

And I'm against the death penalty as well. And the war.

Death

How do you feel about people being forced to give kidneys to keep people alive?

[snoopy369]

I guess that's the ultimate element of this question (assuming political concerns are null), isn't it?

Are you Pro-Woman or Pro-Baby?

[Arrian]

Originally posted by DinoDoc

But with conservatives one seat away from having a majority on the Supreme Court and the next president having the power to name up to three justices, do you actually think the folks who've fought two generations to re-take the Court actually want to see three Clinton jurists?

I would wager that many of the people leery of McCain's record are fearful that we'd be much more likely to get 3 more Souters or Kennedys. And really what would be the difference between that and Clinton justices. That's especially true given his comments that Justice Alito was too much of a Conservative for his taste.

Yes, he voted against the first two Bush tax cuts. But as he said, when you don't have spending limits with tax cuts, you blow up the federal deficit,

That's not what he said at the time though. This is what he said then: “I cannot in good conscience support a tax cut in which so many of the benefits go to the most fortunate among us at the expense of middle-class Americans who most need tax relief.� Words straight from the Dem play book.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-commerce/2008/2/5/mccain-on-the-bush-tax-cuts.html

McCain during the 2000 debates:

I want a balanced approach. A working families tax cut—Governor Bush has 38 percent of his tax cut go to the wealthiest one percent of Americans—pay down the debt, Social Security and Medicare. If we're going to save Social Security, we've got to take a bunch of the non-Social Security surplus, pump it into the Social Security system, because we all know that it's going broke. If we do that, then people can then invest part of their own payroll taxes in investments of their choice. The difference between Governor Bush's proposal and mine is that I put a whole lot of money into Social Security, Medicare and paying down the debt. He puts a whole lot of money into tax cuts.... Because we'd lay this obligation on another generation of young Americans—$3.6 trillion. At town hall meeting after town hall meeting, I have average Americans stand up to me and say to me, Senator McCain, all these years of running deficits, we've accumulated this debt. We're paying more interest—as much interest, almost, on it as we are in spending on national defense. We ought to pay down that debt, and not saddle the next generation of young Americans with it.... Look, Alan Greenspan just recently said we shouldn't have these massive tax cuts like Governor Bush is proposing. We should pay down the debt. But working families need the tax cut

-Arrian

[Dinner]

I love the smell of pwnage in the morning. How does it feel DinoDoc?

[Arrian]

I'm not going to claim pwnage on this, because McCain does seem to have made several statements regarding the tax cuts and there was some variance.

But I think it's fairly clear he wanted more limited cuts and he wanted spending cuts to go along with 'em.

From a fiscal conservative standpoint (and that standpoint alone), he's not the bad guy. In fact, that's one of the reasons I like him.

-Arrian

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by OzzyKP
It is her right to do what she wishes with HER body, yes. It is NOT her right to do what she wishes with the body of her child. I am pro-choice in that I wish to respect the choice of the baby to live or die.

And I'm against the death penalty as well. And the war.

Death

I agree.


JM

[Ben Kenobi]

Being pro choice doesn't mean that you support killing embryos. It means that you allow the woman to decide what she wants to do with HER body.

*Sigh

1. The issue was "Is McCain Prolife?"

I said he wasn't because he supports embryo "research" which is no different then killing them to extract stuff out of them.

You can try to dissuade her, even not approve of removing the embryo, BUT IT IS STILL HER GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO DO SO.

Uh, God given?



I was unaware pro aborts believed that a woman could only abort because God gave her the right to do so. No, it was granted by the state at least in the US in 1973, where she has the right to abort at any time before 9 months.

This is the "god given" right to a dead baby that never existed prior to 1973.

How do you stand on death penalty BTW ?

What does killing innocent children without trial have anything to do with executing guilty prisoners after all appeals have been exhausted? At least the prisoners get humane treatment and don't suffer when they die.

[Ben Kenobi]

How do you feel about people being forced to give kidneys to keep people alive?

Just fine. I think that is a great development by hospitals these days that if they need a kidney for transplantation that they will go around and cut it out of another patient.

Gosh, it saves lives, it's like the best policy ever.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Oerdin
I love the smell of pwnage in the morning. How does it feel DinoDoc?

Pwnage? Are you seriously telling me that he didn't make those statements? Hell even Arrian's quote contained elements of what I said.

The claim: Romney criticized McCain during the debate for voting against tax cuts backed by President Bush and passed by Congress in 2001 and 2003.

The facts: McCain did vote against both tax bills, saying Bush's plan cut taxes too much for the wealthy and not enough for everyone else. "I cannot in good conscience support a tax cut in which so many of the benefits go to the most fortunate among us, at the expense of middle-class Americans who most need tax relief," McCain said in 2001.
...

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-30-factcheck_N.htm

BLITZER: In 2001, when John McCain voted against President Bush's tax cuts, he was one of two Republican senators to do so, including Lincoln Chafee, the former Republican senator from Rhode Island.

In justifying his nay vote on the Senate floor, he said these two things. On May 21st, 2001, McCain said: "The principle that guides my judgment of a tax reconciliation bill is tax relief for those who need it the most, lower- and middle-income working families."

And then on May 26th, he said: "I cannot in good conscience support a tax cut in which so many of the benefits go to the most fortunate among us at the expense of middle-class Americans who most need tax relief."

February 3 edition of CNN's Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer

[Arrian]

So, in the end:

McCain wanted tax cuts, but lesser ones focused on lower-income folks. He also expressed a desire to limit spending. He has opposed some big spending increases since (while not others - like a certain war of choice).

The record is mixed here.

-Arrian

[Perfection]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
I said he wasn't because he supports embryo "research" which is no different then killing them to extract stuff out of them.

Why do you use scare quotes with "research", are you suggesting that this somehow isn't research?

I think there are a number of important differences between embryos used in stem cell research and abortion. One of those is that the cells used are left over from IVF treatments which would often be disposed of anyways. Another is that embryos at this stage are far less developed then that of abortion.

Personally, I'm fine with both early-term abortion and stem cell research, both occur before there is a mind capable of doing human things. I find the idea that a "soul" is implanted at conception bizzare (and not just because I think the soul is nonexistant), why would God implant a soul in a being with a high probability of naturally ending up in the toilet (a large perentage of pregnancies end in miscarriage, often before the mother is even aware of the pregnancy)?

[Q Classic]

Romney's out, and Buchanan claims that McCain will make Cheney look like Gandhi.