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And that's a good thing. A candidate should represent as much of the US as possible.
As for Gore, if he wasn't good enough for Tennessee, why was he good enough for America?
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A)Are there democrats who voted against the Iraq War?
B)If they exist, why arent they candidates?
2)If the republicans win again with less votes than the democrats (like when Bush defeated Gore) Could the electoral system be changed? (or at least would there be a serious debate about it?)
1)
A) Yes. 21 Senaotors voted against it (as did a number of Congressmen, but Congressmen rarely run for preseident under any circumstances).
B) Because they represent the extreme liberal part of the American spectrum, and are generally considered to be unelectable. Nevertheless, one of them, Russ Feingold of Wisconsin, who has been the most vocal and principled opponent of the war and the Bush administration generally, strongly considered a run. Lack of money, lack of electability, and unwillingness to put his family under the microscope and through teh rigors of a campaign all probably contributed to his decision.
2) The thing to understand about the electoral college is that it's not proportional, so it gives small states more power. Thanks to the electoral college, teh votes of people in Wyoming actually count more than the votes of people in California (Wyoming gets one elector for ever 170,000 people; California gets one elector for every 685,000 people). Small states also skew Republican. Now the thing is, changes to the Constitution can only be the proposed by either a 2/3 vote of the Congress or by 2/3 of the state legislatures; they only take effect if ratified by 3/4 of the states. So changing the electoral college would require the small states and Republicans outside of small states to vote against their own self-interest. And that ain't gonna happen.
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Um, because the majority of Americans voted for him?
Umm, no they didn't.
Try again.
The majority of Americans who voted in 2000 rejected him.
So changing the electoral college would require the small states and Republicans outside of small states to vote against their own self-interest. And that ain't gonna happen.
Yes, the electoral college works just fine when it elects democrats.
So it's clearly a partisan issue. The only time the electoral college doesn't work is when it elects Republicans.
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Yes, the electoral college works just fine when it elects democrats.
So it's clearly a partisan issue. The only time the electoral college doesn't work is when it elects Republicans.
No, the electoral college is fubarred altogether. It just so happens that the way it's fubarred favors one party over the other, which is why only one party is calling for its reform. And even if it didn't favor either party, it would still be impossible to reform because small states, regardless of their ideology, wouldn't vote to give up power.
But if you want to try to defend non-proprotional representation in a democracy, by all means go ahead. I could use a laugh.
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Originally posted by Bosh
Also considering who you (Imran) backed in 2000 and for what reasons I'm am pretty happy that we're disagreeing about this
You do realize that the person I backed in 2000 (unfortunately) won, though, right?
And its the reasons I did buy into (believing he was a "compassionate conservative") is why I don't buy into the ideological stuff now and look at practicality and who can get in there and get stuff done.
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No, the electoral college is fubarred altogether. It just so happens that the way it's fubarred favors one party over the other, which is why only one party is calling for its reform. And even if it didn't favor either party, it would still be impossible to reform because small states, regardless of their ideology, wouldn't vote to give up power.
But if you want to try to defend non-proprotional representation in a democracy, by all means go ahead. I could use a laugh.
Read my post on the previous (default) page, then ... We don't live in a democracy, we live in a federation of states... and anything that protects that, and avoids becoming a single state, is in my book. People in Iowa don't want the people in California to have the ability to tell them what to do; thus, the electoral college system.
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Rufus, for a fairly intelligent person, you sure can bastardize a debate.
These statements about Gore are way over the top.
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Look, if a far leftist wants to go out and vote far left then fair enough but I get tired of their endless whining when we get people like Bush as a result. That kind of all or nothing extremism usually results in nothing winning.
So if you don't vote Democratic it's your fault a Republican wins?
Why not blame the Dems for putting up such piss poor candidates vote after vote? Their nominees make Nader look good. Again, the Dems fault.
Then again, if all the people that voted Democratic had voted for Nadar the Repugs would have lost.
Either way you cut it it looks like the Dems fault.
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No, the electoral college is fubarred altogether. It just so happens that the way it's fubarred favors one party over the other, which is why only one party is calling for its reform.
Exactly so, which is why it's a partisan issue. If the slant were the other way we wouldn't hear a peep out of anybody.
But if you want to try to defend non-proprotional representation in a democracy, by all means go ahead. I could use a laugh.
It's an important counterbalance. I take it you want to abolish the Senate?
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So what about the Dem debate tonight?
Do you guys think it was a diss-fest or a love-fest?
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Read my post on the previous (default) page, then ... We don't live in a democracy, we live in a federation of states... and anything that protects that, and avoids becoming a single state, is in my book. People in Iowa don't want the people in California to have the ability to tell them what to do; thus, the electoral college system.
But those people in Iowa sure do want to tell those Californians what to do with their fags. Oh, and not to have abortions.
Read my post on the previous (default) page, then ... We don't live in a democracy, we live in a federation of states... and anything that protects that, and avoids becoming a single state, is in my book. People in Iowa don't want the people in California to have the ability to tell them what to do; thus, the electoral college system.
The principle of federalism is an entirely separate concept from giving some people a larger vote than other people.
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More to the point, Iowas sure do want Californians to pay for their farm subsidies...
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in my book. People in Iowa don't want the people in California to have the ability to tell them what to do; thus, the electoral college system.
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