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Would it have been OK with you to insinuate Lieberman wasn't fit to be in the WH because he was Jewish?
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I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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You're so vain you probably think that post was about you.Originally posted by Oerdin
Not at all. I pointed out why Mormonism is weirder then most religions and why religious people might not vote for him because of it.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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Is it really fair to compare a politician in a media capital like NYC to one in the South? How much did you know about Clinton's time in Ark?Originally posted by DanS
Skillful politicians tend to be heard in other places besides their home areas. That's how I came to know about Giuliani in 1991, f.e.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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As a reference point, here's Real Clear Politics' latest poll averages:
Source: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...primaries.htmlRudy Giuliani - 23.5%
Mike Huckabee - 19.3%
Mitt Romney - 13.2%
Fred Thompson - 11.5%
John McCain - 11.3%
Ron Paul - 4.4%The Apolytoner formerly known as Alexander01
"God has given no greater spur to victory than contempt of death." - Hannibal Barca, c. 218 B.C.
"We can legislate until doomsday but that will not make men righteous." - George Albert Smith, A.D. 1949
The Kingdom of Jerusalem: Chronicles of the Golden Cross - a Crusader Kings After Action ReportComment
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Very good point. Politicians in NYC or D.C. or the governorship of California tend to get a lot more play than, say, governors of Southern and Mountain states. Though I think a lot of that is helping Huck right now. I think if he gets hammered enough on taxes, his support may drop.Originally posted by DinoDoc
Is it really fair to compare a politician in a media capital like NYC to one in the South? How much did you know about Clinton's time in Ark?“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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To be fair, Lieberman didn't make a pitch to christian conservatives that he was "one of them" and invite a comparison. I have the impression that Romney did, although can't think of any instances of it as we stand here today (this sort of stuff is not on my radar).Originally posted by DinoDoc
Would it have been OK with you to insinuate Lieberman wasn't fit to be in the WH because he was Jewish?I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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GOP governors tend to be graded for their potential. Even those from Arkansas. I heard lots about Tommy Thompson during his time at Wisconsin, f.e. If Huckabee was good at being governor, I would have expected to hear more about him.Originally posted by DinoDoc
Is it really fair to compare a politician in a media capital like NYC to one in the South? How much did you know about Clinton's time in Ark?Last edited by DanS; December 11, 2007, 13:49.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Well, in Romney's mind, he is a Christian conservative. What I mean is, he's a member of a church that claims to be Christian, and he's a political conservative. (After all, the name of the church that he and I belong to is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.)Originally posted by DanS
To be fair, Lieberman didn't make a pitch to christian conservatives that he was "one of them" and invite a comparison. I have the impression that Romney did, although can't think of any instances of it as we stand here today (this sort of stuff is not on my radar).
The difference is that he's not an evangelical Christian conservative. Many evangelicals feel that the theological differences that they have with Mormons are enough to disqualify Mormons as Christians. Unfortunately for them, they don't have a monopoly on the term.
I don't think Romney really invited the comparison so much as it simply arose because of the clash between his own LDS viewpoint and the evangelical paradigm. It was bound to come up when a Mormon candidate courted the evangelical vote. The thing is, Mormons and evangelicals do share the same viewpoint on many social issues. For them to dismiss Romney solely on the basis of his theology would be extremely foolish, especially when he supports so many of the political positions that the religious right holds so dear.The Apolytoner formerly known as Alexander01
"God has given no greater spur to victory than contempt of death." - Hannibal Barca, c. 218 B.C.
"We can legislate until doomsday but that will not make men righteous." - George Albert Smith, A.D. 1949
The Kingdom of Jerusalem: Chronicles of the Golden Cross - a Crusader Kings After Action ReportComment
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I don't think Romney really invited the comparison so much as it simply arose because of the clash between his own LDS viewpoint and the evangelical paradigm.
I have to agree. Romney didn't exactly trumpet it (like I said, check his website), but it seems was brought to the fore by others questioning his Christianity.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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The evangelicals tend to run up against mormons in competitive proselytizing, IIUC, and AFAIK, the Mormons even proselytize evangelicals. Im assuming the evangelicals tell their kids "dont pay attention to that clean cut man in the suit who doesnt drink coffee, hes not even a Christian" and are fearing that with an actual Mormon in the White House, on TV all the time, its going to be that much harder to fend proselytization off. Ive got to admit, if a "Jew for Jesus" was running for President, Id have a hard time not taking those kinds of considerations into account myself.
OTOH that evangelicals would be worried about proselytization, is still delicious irony, IMO."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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Heh, I served my LDS mission in Salt Lake City. One time we were working with a guy who claimed to be investigating the church. He was actually an evangelical who had traveled from his home in Iowa just to pretend to be interested in the LDS church, try to convert its missionaries, and if he couldn't, to just waste their time. He lied to us for a couple of weeks, though we suspected him just from the sort of things he would say.Originally posted by lord of the mark
OTOH that evangelicals would be worried about proselytization, is still delicious irony, IMO.
Now that was an interesting experience. He told us that we would be judged before the "Great White Throne" for the sin of being a Mormon. After we went home, my Alabaman companion said 'I've got his Great White Throne right here!" and promptly went to the john.
The antagonism of evangelicals towards Mormons is not something to underestimate. It will be interesting to see if they can overcome it enough to vote for Romney.
(Of course, IMHO, nominating Huckabee is simply a vote for Hillary.)Last edited by Alexander I; December 11, 2007, 14:14.The Apolytoner formerly known as Alexander01
"God has given no greater spur to victory than contempt of death." - Hannibal Barca, c. 218 B.C.
"We can legislate until doomsday but that will not make men righteous." - George Albert Smith, A.D. 1949
The Kingdom of Jerusalem: Chronicles of the Golden Cross - a Crusader Kings After Action ReportComment
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Huckabee recently changed his stance on immigration to kick 'em out, and just got endorsed by the Minutemen founder. Republicans warm my heart.
"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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And they call Romney a flip-flopper?Originally posted by Ramo
Huckabee recently changed his stance on immigration to kick 'em out, [/url]The Apolytoner formerly known as Alexander01
"God has given no greater spur to victory than contempt of death." - Hannibal Barca, c. 218 B.C.
"We can legislate until doomsday but that will not make men righteous." - George Albert Smith, A.D. 1949
The Kingdom of Jerusalem: Chronicles of the Golden Cross - a Crusader Kings After Action ReportComment
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They pretty much all are ('specially on immigration)..."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Here's something interesting. The mom of the 1980s "AIDS boy" is afraid of Huckabee.
Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee's 15-year-old comments that AIDS patients should have been isolated have so alarmed the mother of Ryan White, an Indiana teenager whose life-ending battle with AIDS in the 1980s engrossed the nation, that she has asked for a meeting.
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"It's so alarming to me," she said in a telephone interview Monday with The Associated Press from her home in Leesburg, Fla.
"It's very important to me that we don't live in the darkness" when people thought AIDS was transmitted through casual contact, such as by "kissing, tears, sweat and saliva," White-Ginder said. "We have to treat this disease like a disease, and like Ryan always said, not like a dirty word."Last edited by Alexander I; December 11, 2007, 14:20.The Apolytoner formerly known as Alexander01
"God has given no greater spur to victory than contempt of death." - Hannibal Barca, c. 218 B.C.
"We can legislate until doomsday but that will not make men righteous." - George Albert Smith, A.D. 1949
The Kingdom of Jerusalem: Chronicles of the Golden Cross - a Crusader Kings After Action ReportComment
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