Tell me about Huckabee

[DanS]

Originally posted by LordShiva
You aren't a mod. You're free to ignore other posters, but teh fact that you started this thread posing a question doesn't give you teh authority to dictate what people discuss in it.

I'll just run y'all off from my thread (with a vengeance), if everybody insists on posting stupid stuff created by some sleep-deprived idiot from the campaigns.

Think of it as quality control.

[DanS]

Originally posted by Ramo
Huckabee recently changed his stance on immigration to kick 'em out, and just got endorsed by the Minutemen founder. Republicans warm my heart.

http://washingtonbureau.typepad.com/...man-found.html

I think too many are using code here. Increased border enforcement does not equal kick 'em out. Nobody's going to be able to deliver on a kick 'em out plank.

It's my perception that Giuliani is pretty explicit about the practicalities of this. Haven't watched enough debates to know what the others believe.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by LordShiva


You aren't a mod. You're free to ignore other posters, but teh fact that you started this thread posing a question doesn't give you teh authority to dictate what people discuss in it.

there are much more egregious examples than DanS' comments.

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=172723&pagenumber=3

[Ramo]

He probably isn't going to deliver on it (if nothing else, getting something like this through a Democratic Congress is pretty much impossible), but that's certainly what he's campaigning on:

Mike Huckabee, the Republican presidential candidate, released a plan for tougher immigration enforcement and border security yesterday, pledging to complete a border fence between the United States and Mexico by July 2010 and ruling out a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants unless they returned first to their country of origin.

[...]

But in detailing his plan for stepped-up enforcement, he said immigrants who failed to register within 120 days and then leave the country would be deported and barred from re-entry for 10 years.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/08/us/politics/08campaign.html?n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/Subjects/E/Elections

[DanS]

I just don't think he could deliver on it, even if he wished to -- i.e., he's writing a check that his ass can't cash.

[Ramo]

I DanSed you. I agree. That doesn't mean that he's not appealing to some of the basest instincts in the electorate (among a minority of the electorate, I should add), and advocating a position that defies all rationality.

As for Giuliani, I don't think he's much better...

[DanS]

I don't think they've appealed to the baser instincts of the electorate. I haven't seen any of the candidates lofting rifles above their heads, after all.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Give it time .

[DirtyMartini]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


Jesus Christ. Replace "Mormon" with "Catholic" and "Romney" with "Kennedy"

Especially since we know that Huckabee will let his church influence his presidency.

Catholic \= Mormon; that's the parallel Romney himself tried to draw, and it didn't work when he did it either.

I know lots of non-practicing "Catholics". I know zero non-practicing Mormons. Catholicism is based on two thousand year old traditions/teachings/etc which grants it at least the semblance of authenticity; Mormonism is about 150 years old IIRC, and was widely regarded as a cult not too long ago. Catholicism is familiar to most people; Mormonism, while growing, is unfamiliar.

That is going to cause people to have concerns and to ask questions of Romney.

I'm not saying it's right. I'm not saying it's fair. I'm just saying it is.

[DanS]

Originally posted by DirtyMartini
Catholic \= Mormon; that's the parallel Romney himself tried to draw,

Details?

As for non-practicing Mormons, we have some on Poly. Not unheard of at all. Your reasoning sort of gets lost there.

[Kuciwalker]

I know lots of non-practicing "Catholics". I know zero non-practicing Mormons.

I do. You lose! Yay anecdotes.

Catholicism is based on two thousand year old traditions/teachings/etc which grants it at least the semblance of authenticity;

[Elok]

Originally posted by DirtyMartini
Fair 'nuff.

I'm not sure that's gonna work for a lot of secular voters though.

Every Mormon I have ever known holds the church as their highest priority/authority. I think for Romney it will be hard to escape the concern that the Mormon church will have undue influence on the presidency.

We clearly didn't ask enough questions about W's faith, and we now have a president who relies on prayer rather than reason. While I see nothing in Romey's background as governor to suggest anything similar, it will still be a concern.

I think it will be a concern for Huckabee too -- he was a Baptist minister for crying out loud. With Huck, though, more people are familiar/comfortable with Baptism than Mormonism, which may get him off the hook.

To be fair, while my extreme dislike of Mormonism has preceded me to this thread, Romney seems to be one of those inoffensively-businesslike Mormons after the style of the Marriotts. It's not like he could be super-devout, he was pro-choice for his whole Boston tenure. Huckabee is more worrisome.

Besides, what's Romney going to do that an Evangelical President wouldn't? Insist that Israel offer Cherokees and Apaches the right of return?

[Alexander I]

Originally posted by DanS
As for non-practicing Mormons, we have some on Poly. Not unheard of at all.

Yep, there are plenty. Met loads of 'em in SLC. Most practicing Mormons call these folks "less-active members" (not as a pejorative, rather the opposite).

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by Elok
Besides, what's Romney going to do that an Evangelical President wouldn't? Insist that Israel offer Cherokees and Apaches the right of return?

[Alexander I]

Originally posted by Elok

Besides, what's Romney going to do that an Evangelical President wouldn't? Insist that Israel offer Cherokees and Apaches the right of return?

Much better idea -- he could send the illegal immigrants to Israel. (Many Mormons feel that the peoples mentioned in the Book of Mormon could have only been the Mesoamerican civilizations.)