Tell me about Huckabee

[Jon Miller]

Honestly, not being black he probably didn't think about it much if at all.

JM

[Dinner]

Originally posted by DanS
There's really no establishment GOP candidate this time. Makes it much more interesting.

I believe "Mr 9/11", "America's mayor", Rudy is or rather was the establishment candidate. It seems many conservative voters don't like many of the positions the New York moderate took while in office (and indeed had to take to be viable in NYC) while the moralist/family values voters don't like that Rudy's had 3 wives and has been caught cheating, etc...

This has opened the field up on what should have been a slam dunk for Rudy given how closely the Republicans have identified with 9/11 and the war on terror. The problem is each of the other candidates seem to have serious electability issues or other draw backs. Two months ago Thompson was the hot thing for the AM radio shows, last month it was Romney, and now it is the WASP Huckabee. I think the voters will flirt with the other candidates but ultimately go for the front runner unless Rudy finds a way to commit suicide. Of course Rudy stands very little chance of beating Hillary due to the size of her campaign war chest. The woman has been raising money for almost four years now and has even more money then Bush did.

That's good if you're a Hillary supporter but bad news if you're hoping Hillary will be anything other then your run of the mill partisan politician. If ever there was a status quo candidate she's it.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
Honestly, not being black he probably didn't think about it much if at all.

JM

Probably true but it would make an interesting question. The type of hard question politicians hate to answer but which might actually educate a few people on the man's thinking. If he didn't notice how blacks were kept out of positions of power or didn't care then that saws something about his powers of observation or ability to empathize with the plight of others. If he knew about the racist policy and supported it either he was a racist or at the very least afraid to stand up for his beliefs if he wasn't racist. And if he thinks he can pick and choose parts of religion to enact and others to ignore then religious voters might like to know that.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Elok


Nah, I wouldn't be silly enough to argue about Mormonism with a Mormon. I'm Orthodox, so I don't feel too much more comfortable with the "mainstream" Evangelical types. It's a matter of relative nuttiness.

I personally think all religions are nuts and don't espouse any but I can say from experience that evangelicals can get extremely nutty with their biblical literalism mixed with political dogma. Just look at the nutso stuff at the creationist museum.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Oerdin
1978 is when Mormons officially stopped teaching that blacks were unfit to be priests by virtue of their tainted race. Since Romney has said he believes all the teachings of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and he was 31 years old when the Mormons stopped espousing racism it would be interesting to learn if Romney supported the racist theory for half of his life or if Romney thinks he can pick and choose which passages of his holy book to follow and which to ignore.

Oh **** off. Take your bigotry elsewhere, please.

[Dinner]

This is obviously a Christian hit piece on Mormons from the 70's but I'm wondering how much of the claims it makes are factual. I've heard the man god and planet thing from multiple sources but I'd like to hear if the story from the book of Mormon is thought to be literally true or just a tail or something else.

http://www.americanfilms.com/play.cfm?clipid=531

[Dinner]

As for being a supposed bigot. Bah, anyone who looks at the core stories of Mormonism has to walk away thinking "WTF". I mean golden plates with supposed Egyptian writing which only Joseph Smith can see. The stuff is pretty far out.

As for being bad for saying Mormons aren't Christian one just has to look at the claimed polythestic setting in heaven to find that polytheism is incompatible with all of the monotheistic religions.

[quote]
Yet Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism, stated, "I wish to declare I have always and in all congregations when I have preached on the subject of the Deity, it has been the plurality of Gods" (History of the Church 6:474).

AND

Brigham Young, the second prophet and president of the LDS Church, said, "How many Gods there are, I do not know. But there never was a time when there were not Gods..." (Journal of Discourses 7:333).

[Dinner]

Ahh, Kuci being himself.

[Dinner]

About three months ago I read the book "God isn't Great" by Christopher Hichens. It's a very entertaining and well researched book which deals looks at the world's great religions and also at the great hucksters/swindlers of religion throughout history.

He's the book: http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/0446579807/

Slate.com published sections of the book including the history of Joseph Smith and creation of LDS. It's worth a read if you're interested in why Mormonism is weird and why it isn't bigotry to say the truth.

http://slate.com/id/2165033/

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
Honestly, not being black he probably didn't think about it much if at all.

JM

You're fairly ignorant if you think that white people cannot have any concern for racism. Plenty of white people for instance, joined the civil rights movement of the 1950s and 60s.

[MrFun]

Oh, and shame on DanS for being lazy and asking others about Huckabee and not Googling Huckabee himself!

[Patroklos]

And the only ones saying Obama isn't "black enough" are Republicans.

Really, you might want to google the Hillary campaign and take a look at a few of the comments made by black religious/faux civil rights types on her behalf. Hell

This particular one was about Bill, but since Hillary is hoping people will vote for Bill instead of not voting for her...

"Bill is every bit as black as Barack. He's probably gone with more black women than Barrack."

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=27f_1197239354

[Imran Siddiqui]

Actually that statement isn't what you are really looking for. It doesn't say that Barrack isn't black enough, but that Bill Clinton was just as black... which has never been a put down in the black community.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by MrFun



You're fairly ignorant if you think that white people cannot have any concern for racism. Plenty of white people for instance, joined the civil rights movement of the 1950s and 60s.

Well, but this wouldn't be an active discrimination, but rather a passive one. There would just be no missionaries sent to black people or something like that.

I could very easly see someone not noticing something like that.

JM

[Patroklos]

Actually that statement isn't what you are really looking for. It doesn't say that Barrack isn't black enough, but that Bill Clinton was just as black... which has never been a put down in the black community.

It is by extension an attack by a black leader on a black candidate at the behest/for the benefit of a white candidate.

The insinuation is that Barrack has been outblacked by a white boy, and that the black people would be better served by whitie.

Well, but this wouldn't be an active discrimination, but rather a passive one. There would just be no missionaries sent to black people or something like that.

I doubt it was racism at all. Do you think I have every word of Catholic doctine memorized? Not to mention things that people are not confronted with regulary don't normal concern them.