Planet Earth without the USA

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by Patroklos


Seriously? Some would go reverse swords for plowshars and head back to the US. Proably expanding form the infrustucture on the Canadian border and working themselves down.

Most would just incorporate themselves into developed European countires because, lets face it, Americans are not the mountainer/pioneer types anymore and we will miss our Western style homes.

Perhaps as a trade for absorbing us into your fold we will fight on behalf of our new homes. In fact, given we have nothing left and were accepted by friends, I would expect us to be fearsly protective of them.

Thats more or less the scenari I thought most likley.

[lord of the mark]

Has anyone mentioned world grain markets, or is this just a fun and jollies thread?

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
Has anyone mentioned world grain markets, or is this just a fun and jollies thread?

Ah, good point. If teh US disappears, there's no way Brazil/India would be able to get teh EU to give up their subsidies

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
Has anyone mentioned world grain markets, or is this just a fun and jollies thread?

Vast global economic repercussions by default. But if you want to discus resources… well Europe
would probably be ok, but the rest of the world may have some problems. Who is the largest grain importer anyway?


I imagine Canada would in such a climate quickly invest into developing some agriculture beyond their southern border, since it would become very profitable.

PS: Don’t forget that all of the US’s domesticated animals are gone as well.

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by LordShiva


Ah, good point. If teh US disappears, there's no way Brazil/India would be able to get teh EU to give up their subsidies

With the US, there is no chance of that either.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by LordShiva


Ah, good point. If teh US disappears, there's no way Brazil/India would be able to get teh EU to give up their subsidies

I think Brazil would be sitting pretty. As would Canada, Australia and Argentina, and all those French farmers.

Don't know about India though.

[Patroklos]

I did

[lord of the mark]

Top Wheat Exporters

Below are the leading wheat exporters for 2004-5.

United States … 31.6 million tonnes (29.9% of wheat exports from top 10 exporting countries)
Australia … 18.5 million (17.5%)
Canada … 15.1 million (14.3%)
France … 14.9 million (14.1%)
Argentina … 10 million (9.5%)
Russia … 4.7 million (4.5%)
Germany … 3.9 million (3.7%)
United Kingdom … 2.5 million (2.4%)
Kazakhstan … 2.4 million (2.3%)
India … 2 million (1.9%)
China’s wheat exports amounted to 783,934 tonnes in 2004, much less than one tenth of 1 percent of its total production in 2005.

Top Wheat Importers

Below are the leading wheat Importers in 2004.

[b]China …[b] 7.2 million tonnes (14.6% of wheat imports from top 10 importing countries)
Japan … 5.5 million (11.2%)
Italy … 6.5 million (13.2%)
Algeria … 5 million (10.1%)
Brazil … 4.8 million (9.7%)
Indonesia … 4.5 million (9.1%)
Spain … 4.4 million (8.9%)
Egypt … 4.4 million (8.9%)
Mexico … 3.6 million (7.3%)
South Korea … 3.4 million (6.9%)

Ive highlighted importers not in or near the EU. Or Brazil which is big exporter of other grains, and is adjacent to Argentina.

[LordShiva]

Rice

[lord of the mark]

corn/maize

"Japan is the largest and most consistent importer of corn in the world. The United States satisfies nearly all of Japan's demand. During fiscal year 2006, Japan imported 16.5 million metric tons (649 million bushels) of U.S. corn.

Mexico, Taiwan, Canada, Egypt and Colombia are also major corn importers and important markets for the United States."

[Heraclitus]

East Asia might have some difficulties. Indonesia and Mexico even more so.

[lord of the mark]

"USDA US Rice Export Sales Last Week
By Oryza News on June 04,2007



Net sales of 37,400 MT were double the previous week and 33 percent over the prior 4-week average. The primary buyers were Taiwan (15,800 MT), Mexico (9,400 MT), Canada (4,700 MT), and the United Kingdom (3,900 MT). Exports of 40,600 MT were 51 percent below the previous week and 47 percent under the prior 4-week average. The major destinations were Cuba (23,400 MT), Mexico (6,100 MT), Canada (3,400 MT), South Korea (3,100 MT), and the United Kingdom (1,800 MT).
"


We also import some rice (i believe specialty rice from Asia) but are net exporters, I think.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Heraclitus
East Asia might have some difficulties. Indonesia and Mexico even more so.

Yeah. It would be nice if the grain market crisis wasnt coming at the same time as a general trade/demand crisis, or at the same time as political and military adjustments. But they are.

Not the end of western civilization, but definitely a dystopian scenario.

[Heraclitus]

That brings up an interesting question, what happens to the NA continent in the economical long term? How long would it take to have agricultural outputs comparable to current levels? And what kind of an economy would different courtiers develop there?

[LordShiva]

BTW, we had a thread about this already.