Hey, atheists . . . .

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by snoopy369


Atheists haven't had nearly as long to do their dirty work

Well, we haven't have much chance to do anything since there always are a god beliver in the neighbourhood ready to slaughter us

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by snoopy369
Atheism is just as much a religion as Catholocism. It's Athe-ISM for a reason...

Do you know what the "a" part means?

Agnostic is not a religion, on the other hand. Atheists believe there is no god; agnostics don't give a !@%$.

And what about agnosticISM?

[Pekka]

And I'll keep my spam spree. Who says all wars are bad anyway? Some wars are good and beneficial for the mankind. It's not generally a great idea, but sometimes hey, it can be a solution.

[snoopy369]

Originally posted by Lorizael


Do you know what the "a" part means?



And what about agnosticISM?

Atheism = the belief there is no god. It is not "the lack of belief in a god", which would qualify as agnostic.

I would not use the term "agnosticism" in the present meaning of the word "agnostic". The meaning has changed from its original meaning quite substantially; and as I would consider a modern day agnostic someone who does not concern themselves with the existence or lack thereof of a god, I would not think an 'ism' would be an apropriate way to classify them ("ism" implies a coherent movement or philosophy, wheras modern day agnostic is the lack thereof).

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Lorizael

And you think the rhetoric of the crusades was anything more than propaganda?

Yes, because many of them genuinely felt they had to do it or they'd burn forever in hell and god would not forgive them. On the other hand if they went to the holy land then they'd be assured a place in heaven no matter what they'd done. That's genuine belief and not belief of convenience. Belief that their immortal souls and place in the after life depended upon it.

[Ben Kenobi]

Wow, I agree with Mr. Fun.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Yes, because many of them genuinely felt they had to do it or they'd burn forever in hell and god would not forgive them. On the other hand if they went to the holy land then they'd be assured a place in heaven no matter what they'd done. That's genuine belief and not belief of convenience. Belief that their immortal souls and place in the after life depended upon it.

That just makes it particularly good propaganda. You think the people in charge of the religion believe that crap?

[Dinner]

Motivation is everything and actions are only understandable and judgable based on it. It's called context.

Its the difference between true believers and the megalomania of one man.

[Ben Kenobi]

Yes, because many of them genuinely felt they had to do it or they'd burn forever in hell and god would not forgive them. On the other hand if they went to the holy land then they'd be assured a place in heaven no matter what they'd done. That's genuine belief and not belief of convenience. Belief that their immortal souls and place in the after life depended upon it.

Yep. The Muslims decided to kill Christian pilgrims and torch the holy sepulchre and the Christians are to blame for replying to that with a Crusade?

Man, I'm waiting to hear the complaints about the Muslims when the Christians desecrate the Kaaba.

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by snoopy369
Atheism = the belief there is no god. It is not "the lack of belief in a god", which would qualify as agnostic.

Wikipedia says otherwise.

I would not use the term "agnosticism" in the present meaning of the word "agnostic". The meaning has changed from its original meaning quite substantially;

What would you consider the original meaning of agnosticism to be?

and as I would consider a modern day agnostic someone who does not concern themselves with the existence or lack thereof of a god, I would not think an 'ism' would be an apropriate way to classify them ("ism" implies a coherent movement or philosophy, wheras modern day agnostic is the lack thereof).

Please identify the tenets of the movement or philosophy of atheism.

[Pekka]

But to be fair, religions are not a war generating machine. It is also a question of power and politics. There has to be a leader of some sort who tells people to do war in the name of something. If it's religion, then it's religion, but the command doesn't come from God. Leaders might say it's exactly the case but it isn't, so religion in itself is not a problem, it's a people problem. Then again, everything is a people problem really.

So religion has been used as propaganda. But it's nto the only fuel. If you have bunch of idiots who can do your dirty work for you, just pick the issue that will excite them. For some it is religion, for some it is something else, you go with what works.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Lorizael


That just makes it particularly good propaganda. You think the people in charge of the religion believe that crap?

Yep - why shouldn't they ?

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by BlackCat
Yep - why shouldn't they ?

I'm really ****ing cynical.

[Dinner]

Basically one belief is genuine and the other is just one guy cynically trying to get rid of the opposition. You honestly can't understand the difference? Religion is the reason for one while atheism is not the reason for the other. Thus the OP blaming atheism is total rubbish.

[snoopy369]

Originally posted by Lorizael


Wikipedia says otherwise.

Please don't use wikipedia in this context. It's worse than useless...

Atheism is the explicit belief that God does not exist.

What would you consider the original meaning of agnosticism to be?

I believe it came as an offshoot from the Gnostics, a particular heretical group of christianity from the early church. I don't remember the specifics, however, it's been years.

Please identify the tenets of the movement or philosophy of atheism.

As above... "The explicit belief that there is no God." Atheists positively believe something (that there is no God), while modern Agnostics simply don't give a *@#%.