In my opinion this is just murder.

[Ben Kenobi]

So Gepap, you aren't concerned that the murder rate in NYC is higher then for Texas as a whole?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
So Gepap, you aren't concerned that the murder rate in NYC is higher then for Texas as a whole?

Why would he be? It's a freakin' city. And it's safer than any city in Texas.

[SlowwHand]

Yeah, right.

[Deity Dude]

You klnow whats funny? From the title I thought the poster was saying that the murder was just.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Oerdin


If you don't know shooting unarmed people is murder then there isn't much hope for you.

Actually its not necessarily murder in any number of situations

1. I am home when an intruder approaches me rapidly in the darkness-- I have a reasonable fear of my life-- not murder ( note that if a prosecutor could prove the bad guy was retreating so that there was no actual threat anymore, I could be technically guilty)

2. A large muscular man has cornered me and my wife in an alley and says he is going to kill us with his bare hands-- not murder

3. A tiny woman has her hands at the throat of our infant child-- I shoot her in the head


etc etc

In all cases I created situations where it would not be a murder in Canada. In other jurisdictions there may even be greater exceptions since I believe that Texas justified lethal force to "protect private property" ( I don't know if that remains accurate today )

[Deity Dude]

Originally posted by Flubber


Actually its not necessarily murder in any number of situations

1. I am home when an intruder approaches me rapidly in the darkness-- I have a reasonable fear of my life-- not murder ( note that if a prosecutor could prove the bad guy was retreating so that there was no actual threat anymore, I could be technically guilty)

2. A large muscular man has cornered me and my wife in an alley and says he is going to kill us with his bare hands-- not murder

3. A tiny woman has her hands at the throat of our infant child-- I shoot her in the head


etc etc

In all cases I created situations where it would not be a murder in Canada. In other jurisdictions there may even be greater exceptions since I believe that Texas justified lethal force to "protect private property" ( I don't know if that remains accurate today )

I don,t think that is other people's propery after the fact. A State Tropper in Michigan told me that basically if you shoot a burglar/thief etc. they better fall down inside your residence.

I havn't been able to listen to te 911 call but I am not real sympathetic to theives that are killed in the process of a robbery. Especially at a residence.

[Deity Dude]

Originally posted by Flubber


Actually its not necessarily murder in any number of situations

1. I am home when an intruder approaches me rapidly in the darkness-- I have a reasonable fear of my life-- not murder ( note that if a prosecutor could prove the bad guy was retreating so that there was no actual threat anymore, I could be technically guilty)

2. A large muscular man has cornered me and my wife in an alley and says he is going to kill us with his bare hands-- not murder

3. A tiny woman has her hands at the throat of our infant child-- I shoot her in the head


etc etc

In all cases I created situations where it would not be a murder in Canada. In other jurisdictions there may even be greater exceptions since I believe that Texas justified lethal force to "protect private property" ( I don't know if that remains accurate today )

I don't think that applies to other people's propery after the fact. A State Trooper in Michigan told me that basically if you shoot a burglar/thief etc. they better fall down inside your residence.

I havn't been able to listen to the 911 call but I am not real sympathetic to theives that are killed in the process of a robbery. Especially at a residence.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Deity Dude


I don't think that applies to other people's propery after the fact. A State Trooper in Michigan told me that basically if you shoot a burglar/thief etc. they better fall down inside your residence.

and thats probably true for Michigan

Technically in Canada you could not shoot them even inside your residence if it was clear they were no threat-- it has to be self-defence-- Now I suspect a jury would cut you a lot of slack concerning your fear for your life . ..

Canada has one criminal code for the entire country

But the US has a different criminal code in every state IIRC . I remember being told that Texas for instance had something like a dozen different lawful justifications for killing someone ( I don't know how accurate that is )including things like " protection of private property" and " prevention of the commsission of a felony"-- If those things are in the statute, you could shoot the guy stealing your car in the back and not be guilty of murder

[Deity Dude]

Originally posted by Flubber


and thats probably true for Michigan

Technically in Canada you could not shoot them even inside your residence if it was clear they were no threat-- it has to be self-defence-- Now I suspect a jury would cut you a lot of slack concerning your fear for your life . ..

Canada has one criminal code for the entire country

But the US has a different criminal code in every state IIRC . I remember being told that Texas for instance had something like a dozen different lawful justifications for killing someone ( I don't know how accurate that is )including things like " protection of private property" and " prevention of the commsission of a felony"-- If those things are in the statute, you could shoot the guy stealing your car in the back and not be guilty of murder

I think we are kind of saying the same thing. I think it is defacto considred a theat if someone is inside your house against your will committing a felony. If it happens outside your house you probably have some explaining to do.

In the US each state has it own criminal codes for felonies and unless it involves some federal government official it is usually handled under the laws of the state where the crime is committed.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Yeah, right.

Statistics don't lie, chump.

[Reiko]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Statistics don't lie, chump.

That depends on who compiles the statistics.

[Wezil]

Murder rates are tough to fudge. I do wonder if Texas includes capital punishment killings in their numbers though...

Sorry Sloww.

[Reiko]

Originally posted by Wezil
Murder rates are tough to fudge. I do wonder if Texas includes capital punishment killings in their numbers though...

Sorry Sloww.

Murder rates possibly but violent crime rates? no.

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article2710596.ece

[SlowwHand]

Include capital murder? Of course.

[Wezil]

Originally posted by Reiko

Murder rates possibly but violent crime rates? no.

My reference was specific for a reason.

I'm suspicious of most crime stats but the murder rate is one that is pretty reliable. The cause of any particular rate is the argument...

Sloww - Well that must explain the higher murder rate in your much maligned state.