Christian Guy Totally Owns Mormons

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
According to Mormon doctrine the gods originally came from Kholdar. Didn't the gods worshipped by the Colonists in Battlestar Galactica also come from Coldar? Is Battlestar Galactica disseminating Mormon propaganda?

Is that why Starbuck is smiling when she makes her return in the last episode? Did she meet up with some Mormon missionaries?

Yes. Battlestar Galactica does disseminate Mormon doctrine.

It was created by a Mormon after all.

Allthough, I have never heard this Kholdan thing you speak of, and I'm Mormon.

ACK!

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
My experience with practicing mormons is fairly positive, although I think their unique interpretations are wrong.

JM

What alienates most Christians from Mormons is not their unique interpretations of the Bible but the fact that Joseph Smith created an entirely new holy book and religion which has absolutely nothing to do with the Bible. If you are a Christian then you cannot simply start adding in new prophets, magic under wear, super secret magic tablets without fundamentally changing into something which is not Biblically based Christianity.

[Dinner]

Oh, and from an atheist's perspective their just ****ing complete loonies. Even more so then your average run of the mill religious person.

I hate to say it but South Park is a great way to understand the facts about the origins of Mormonism and how nuts it was. Sometimes comedy really does reflect life.

http://www.southparkzone.com/episodes/712/All-about-the-Mormons?.html

[Ben Kenobi]

What alienates most Christians from Mormons is not their unique interpretations of the Bible but the fact that Joseph Smith created an entirely new holy book and religion which has absolutely nothing to do with the Bible. If you are a Christian then you cannot simply start adding in new prophets, magic under wear, super secret magic tablets without fundamentally changing into something which is not Biblically based Christianity.

Yes, thanks Oerdin. That is exactly what is the case.

[Aeson]

Originally posted by Nikolai
No, I think someone got afraid of loosing a diciple.

I don't understand why you'd so willingly accept third-hand speculation as to some conspiracy not allowing him to come back. Especially when the simple fact is that a missionary is someone teaching what they believe. If he was truely having doubts, he would have gone home.

The story just doesn't make sense.

[Nikolai]

Firstly, I trust this lady very much.
Secondly, this is not the only time I've heard similar stories. First one I've heard directly from a person who have experienced it though.

But it's no biggie. I don't see why this upset you this much?

[Aeson]

Originally posted by Nikolai
Firstly, I trust this lady very much.

She's telling you something a friend told her. How would either of them know why the guy who didn't come back to talk to her didn't come back?

But it's no biggie. I don't see why this upset you this much?

It doesn't upset me. The explanation just doesn't make sense. Why would you expect a missionary who supposedly now doesn't believe in their mission to come back and continue being a missionary? It doesn't take a conspiracy to explain why he didn't come back.

[Nikolai]

Originally posted by Aeson


She's telling you something a friend told her. How would either of them know why the guy who didn't come back to talk to her didn't come back?

No. Perhaps I should have been more specific. She told me something she'd heard from a friend and then verified. She didn't tell me how though. And this is a story she mentioned in the middle of a greater discussion, so I really don't have more info ready.

It doesn't upset me. The explanation just doesn't make sense. Why would you expect a missionary who supposedly now doesn't believe in their mission to come back and continue being a missionary? It doesn't take a conspiracy to explain why he didn't come back.

As I understand it, mormons views themselves as Christians. (I have some problems with that, but that's another discussion.) This guy didn't loose faith in God, he was beginning to get doubts on if the mormon church had the right interpretation. He said he would come back after talking to his priest/supervisor, and didn't. After how I understood it he was sent away. And that concerns me. Any Christian should always be open for the possibility that one's view on different matters in Christian theology can be wrong. After all, we are all less-than-perfect humans.

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Nikolai
She told me something she'd heard from a friend and then verified. She didn't tell me how though.

Who on earth would ever find these two sentences persuasive? Double hearsay, plus direct hearsay as to an unidentified confirmation?

[Nikolai]

Look, this is going nowhere. I mentioned an old story I heard a long time ago that was relevant for the topic we're discussing. I can't see why you make such a large thing out of it.

[Aeson]

Originally posted by Nikolai
This guy didn't loose faith in God, he was beginning to get doubts on if the mormon church had the right interpretation. He said he would come back after talking to his priest/supervisor, and didn't. After how I understood it he was sent away.

Darius addressed that quite aptly. You're basically just trusting rumors. The weird part is the rumors don't make any sense at all.

And that concerns me. Any Christian should always be open for the possibility that one's view on different matters in Christian theology can be wrong. After all, we are all less-than-perfect humans.

I don't think you understand what LDS missionaries are doing. They almost always have travelled to other states or foreign countries to live for 18 months and teach what they believe in.

It's hard work, they live meagerly and by very strict standards, away from family and friends, and in most areas they aren't respected very much. Take away what they believe in, and why would they stay there?

[Jon Miller]

I didn't think Nikolai had said that their beleif had been taken away. Maybe I misread?

JM

[Nikolai]

No. Their Christian belief was not taken away. They did get unsure on whether the mormon church were right though. She used the Bible to show where the mormon church had it wrong in relation to the Bible itself. The Bible creates faith, it doesn't destroy it.

[Aeson]

Originally posted by Nikolai
No. Their Christian belief was not taken away. They did get unsure on whether the mormon church were right though. She used the Bible to show where the mormon church had it wrong in relation to the Bible itself.

What you continue to ignore is that he's not on his LDS Mission to teach just any brand of Christian belief. He's there to teach a specific LDS take on it. At the point he stops being there for teach the specific LDS take on it, he's not on his LDS mission anymore.

They don't have to send him somewhere else. He'd choose to go. Because it's idiotic to spend 10-12 hours a day teaching something you don't believe.

The Bible creates faith, it doesn't destroy it.

That's a silly way of putting it.

Studying the Bible is part of what lead me to the conclusion that Christianity is not true. You could say it didn't destroy my faith... it just created faith in it's own fallacy...

Like I said though, that's a silly way of putting it.

[Nikolai]

Originally posted by Aeson


What you continue to ignore is that he's not on his LDS Mission to teach just any brand of Christian belief. He's there to teach a specific LDS take on it. At the point he stops being there for teach the specific LDS take on it, he's not on his LDS mission anymore.

They don't have to send him somewhere else. He'd choose to go. Because it's idiotic to spend 10-12 hours a day teaching something you don't believe.

You, on the other hand, ignores that he said he wanted to come back.

That's a silly way of putting it.

Studying the Bible is part of what lead me to the conclusion that Christianity is not true. You could say it didn't destroy my faith... it just created faith in it's own fallacy...

Like I said though, that's a silly way of putting it.

It's a Christian belief though. Preaching of the Word creates faith. Faith is silly for the non-believers though, as it isn't logical. And no, as you say, studying the Bible is no guarantee of faith. I have a very good friend who read the Bible through several times and had nothing but contempt for Christianity. Then he came to my youth club, discussed Christian belief with another friend of mine. Slowly, without him knowing it(this is his own words), this discussions, where the Word was preached for him, he changed and one night he went down on his knees and accepted Christ! Afterwards, he said that he suddenly understood that while he had read the Bible extensively, he never had read it with an open mind, only with prejudice. He said it was a whole new book to him.