University of Delaware: All Whites in U.S. are Racist

[Aeson]

Originally posted by Kidicious
No. White people are much more likely to terrorize another race. In fact, I think they are in an exclusive club in that regard. I need to see evidence otherwise. People calling people honky while they are robbing them doesn't count.

How about a mob beating 3 women while yelling racial epitaphs at them? Would that count?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Aeson
How about a mob beating 3 women while yelling racial epitaphs at them? Would that count?

Are you talking about a race riot that was caused by police officers getting away with beating a black man?

Let me tell you something. I'm not afraid at all of the people who live in my neighborhood. At least I'm not afraid of being a victim of racial violence. But when some rednecks drive through in their pick up truck and tell me that I stick out like a sore thumb and think thats funny I know who to be afraid of. I know the difference of being a racist than from just being prejudice. Do you know the difference?

[OneFootInTheGrave]

but isn't it racist that you put all white people in the same basket with rednecks

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by OneFootInTheGrave
but isn't it racist that you put all white people in the same basket with rednecks

I don't. Some others do, and I don't agree with them. I don't even put all rednecks in the same basket.

The point I'm trying to get at is that being white and being black in the US is too very different experiences. And when talking about black people who think that all white people are the same shouldn't bring up hate crimes against whites. That's laughable.

[Patroklos]

Kid, do you not realize how your "arguement" is simply a self sustaining circle jerk, as has been pointed out previously.

So if a black man robs a white man and says give me your money honky, it counts the same as if a couple of rednecks go hunting for blacks and drag a few behind their truck.

If a white guy robs a black guy and calls him "******," is the object of his attack money? Ten bucks it will be called a hate crime. If a white guy robs a black guy and calls him "*******" is the object of his attack money? Ten buck Al and Jesse will call it a hate crime. I don't expect an honest answer from you, btw.

If you want to talk about ****ed up perceptions you are looking at the wrong crowd. There is a whole community/culture suffering under the weight of their own created problems who refuse to deal with it because it is much easier to hide behind invented racism that deal with the real source, themselves.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Patroklos
If a white guy robs a black guy and calls him "******," is the object of his attack money?

Why do you always cling to the meaningless details? Yes in that case the motivation would be money. I don't think people rob people because of hate.

I don't expect an honest answer from you, btw.

Oh well, you get one anyway.

If you want to talk about ****ed up perceptions you are looking at the wrong crowd. There is a whole community/culture suffering under the weight of their own created problems who refuse to deal with it because it is much easier to hide behind invented racism that deal with the real source, themselves.

There's a bunch of BS that doesn't mean anything. Who are you talking about? College professors?

[Patroklos]

There's a bunch of BS that doesn't mean anything. Who are you talking about? College professors?

Was that supposed to be a deflection?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Patroklos


Was that supposed to be a deflection?

No. You seem to think that if people believe in racism that they just sit around blaming other people instead of taking care of themselves. That's just not true. A lot of people who believe in racism are very successful.

[Arrian]

Are you talking about a race riot that was caused by police officers getting away with beating a black man?

This is an amazing "answer" to Aeson's question/example.

Do you understand the difference between describing a thing and justifying a thing? Based on your posts, you do not.

Example:

"That person is racist" - description
"That person is racist, and became so because [insert reason here], so it's not his/her fault" - justification (actually, part explanation, part justification)

You asked for an example of a "hate crime" against white people (which is pretty funny in the first instance, because apparently you cannot imagine such a thing). Aeson offers an (admittedly vague) example. You immediately concoct a justification for the hate crime. Here's the kicker:

Even if your justification is valid, it does not magically make the hate crime not a hate crime. Think about it.

Cops beat a black man. Justice is not served upon the cops. In response, someone beats up some white women. The only possible reason they would have to beat up the women - if the motivation was the failure of the authorities to deal properly with the cops - was as some sort of race-based revenge. The only connection between the women and the cops would be race (to use the parlance of the UoD - they are "race allies" or somesuch). That is a hate crime. You can attempt to justify it, but even if you succeed cannot somehow magically change the motivations of the attackers such that the attack isn't a hate crime.

No one here is arguing that the experience of being white in the USA is the same as being black. Further, I don't think that anyone is claiming that, on average, white people don't have it easier.

Further, I don't see anyone here claiming that they fear being the victim of a hate crime. I certainly don't. I don't fear being the victim of a terrorist attack. These things are possible but unlikely. Hell, I don't fear being in an car accident tomorrow, and that's a lot more likely than just about anything else.

-Arrian

[Patroklos]

No. You seem to think that if people believe in racism that they just sit around blaming other people instead of taking care of themselves. That's just not true. A lot of people who believe in racism are very successful.

And the vast majority of them aren't. And just because YOU are successful does not mean your community is. Nor did I say anything about being racist, I said blaming racism. Usually when you know damn well it really isn't the source of your problems.

You know its possible you didn't get that job because you pants were hanging below your ass, dreadlocks violate the office dresscode, and the interviewer couldn't understand a word you said. Yeah you're right, thats stupid, it was actually because you are Slovenian.

[Aeson]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Are you talking about a race riot that was caused by police officers getting away with beating a black man?

No.

I figured maybe you'd have heard of it since it was a CA thing. 3 women coming out of a haunted house at Halloween last year in Long Beach were attacked by a mob of teenagers. 8 of the teens were convicted of hate crimes. The women were saved by a motorist who stopped and shielded them with his own body. A motorist who has similar skin tone as the attackers. It's a case that clearly shows that skin color doesn't cause racial hatred... ignorance does.

http://www.laweekly.com/news/news/long-beach-hate-crime/15346/

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Feb03/0,4670,HalloweenBeatings,00.html

(I don't think we should have "hate crime" laws... or even have any laws that see "race". But I'm not so ****ing dense that I can't see that people who are racist can have all different types of skin tones. As can people who are tolerant.)

Let me tell you something. I'm not afraid at all of the people who live in my neighborhood. At least I'm not afraid of being a victim of racial violence. But when some rednecks drive through in their pick up truck and tell me that I stick out like a sore thumb and think thats funny I know who to be afraid of.

Oceanside is a pretty nice place, but even here there are neighborhoods in the area that I've been told not to go through on my own, by friends who live there. Most places though, the people, even if they don't like you for you skin color, aren't going to attack you for it. That's reserved for the extreme idiots.

I know the difference of being a racist than from just being prejudice. Do you know the difference?

The difference is racism is a type of prejudice based on the color of someone's skin or ethnic background. Your stereotyping people based on their skin color is an example of a racist prejudice.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Kidicious


No. White people are much more likely to terrorize another race. In fact, I think they are in an exclusive club in that regard. I need to see evidence otherwise. People calling people honky while they are robbing them doesn't count.

Wow...you really hate white people.

[Wernazuma III]

Originally posted by Patroklos
If you want to talk about ****ed up perceptions you are looking at the wrong crowd. There is a whole community/culture suffering under the weight of their own created problems who refuse to deal with it because it is much easier to hide behind invented racism that deal with the real source, themselves.

You're not trying to tell us now that (white over black) racism is no variable in dixie reality, or do you?

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Kidicious


I checked it out. It says that there is no significant difference between the two. Also, I noticed that the opinion of the victim determines whether it was a hate crime. So if a black man robs a white man and says give me your money honky, it counts the same as if a couple of rednecks go hunting for blacks and drag a few behind their truck.

Did you know that there is a signifcant number of hoax hate crimes being manufactured by non-whites these days?

[Patroklos]

You're not trying to tell us now that (white over black) racism is no variable in dixie reality, or do you?

No, but rather that the greatest problems are not.