Aircraft carriers for everyone!

[Serb]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


Nor did the US, they died of disease,

Yeah, right. I heard this story before, you holocaust denier.

Surely there was no intentionally initiated bio-warfare against the Native Americans. No smallpox-infected blankets, etc, right?

as did no small number of the natives of Siberia, Kamchataka, etc.

BS. We didn't put them in reservations to let them die for all they care. We didn't try to erase their culture and language. That's why they still exist as ethnic groups and maitain their culture and language, not as exotic scarecrows for tourist's entertainment.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Patroklos


There is almost no portion of your Far/Central East terrirotry that the Mongols did not know about or indeed ride all over long before you guys were even called Russians.

And where are the Mongols now?

Beaten by Russians.

[Patroklos]

not as exotic scarecrows for tourist's entertainment.

Only because the only people who would consider Siberia a vaction would be Russians.

I see your point though, its hard to fill your concentration camps with natives when you are busy filling them with Russians. Whats the waiting list time for a gulag suite with a good view of the quary these days?

[Patroklos]

And where are the Mongols now?

On a reservation.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Lonestar


The USN traces it's Maritime history through the RN,

In this case we trace our Maritime history from Oleg.

Hell our first commissioned ship was the Alfred named after teh English King.

Really? Good for you! The first Russian warship in the modern history of Russian fleet was named after an eagle. Just eagle, a kind of bird, you know.

Much longer than the Russkis.

The "Orel" (Eagle) warship was commisioned in 1668.

Gotcha, so Oleg and his men, who were also Vikings

Silly boy. He was the king (prince) of Russia (Kiev Rus) and his men were a Russian army (his "druzhina").

(because what's the likelyhood that a buncha dirt farmers knew how to assemble longboats is plenty slim)

Your ignorance and arrogance makes you see the Russians of the 10th century nothing, but the "dirt farmers".

So, the Vikings did that, not the Russians.

I'm tired of that crap. There was no Viking state in 10th century at the territory of modern Russia. There was a Kiev Rus, which lately became known as the Russian Empire/Soviet Union/Russian Federation.

Hell, that's how the Varangian Guard was created. Not "the Slavic Guard".

Right, because Varangian (Varyags/Vikings) were mercenaries - a skilled prefessional warriors who tried to sell their talents elsewhere, probably because their skills were not required at home. Russian professional warriors stayed at home, because their prince paid them well and they didn't need to move to Constantinople to find a work.

And the Varangian Guard was created because of a later expidtion.

Varangian Guard was created because the emperor of Byzantium need a badass mofos and Vikings were exactly the same kind of cutthroats who didn't know where to implement their talents. And since there was a major trade route, which we call "from Varyags (Vikings) to Greeks" it's not really surprising that Viking mercenaries tried to find work at the largest city of that time - Constantinople.

The one that you cite isn't even listed in Wikipedia, either under Oleg's entry or the comtemporary East Roman Emperor.

You didn't try hard don't you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleg_of_Novgorod

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rus%27-Byzantine_War_%28907%29

Baltic German, as has been commented.

Russians discovered Antarctica. The end of story.
Columbus was an ethnic Italian. So, according to your logic it was Genoa who discovered America, not Spain?

Do you know how many things considered to be a great American achievment are invented by Russian emigrants? Do I claim that TV, helicopters, stealth planes, etc, etc, were invented by Russians, only because their inventors were Russians?

Also, no one else hangs their maritime expedition on Antartica, why should you?

I don't hang our maritime tradition only to a discovery of Antarctica. That was just an example.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Patroklos


Only because the only people who would consider Siberia a vaction would be Russians.

I see your point though, its hard to fill your concentration camps with natives when you are busy filling them with Russians. Whats the waiting list time for a gulag suite with a good view of the quary these days?

Oh, you are such a sillyver tongue, aren't you?

Forgive me my spelling. English is not my native language and I can't recall how should I make this complement properly. Is it a silver tongue a sh!tty tongue or a sillysilversh!tty tongue?

[Serb]

Originally posted by Patroklos


On a reservation.

Mongolian People's Republic is an independent state.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Lonestar
The USN traces it's Maritime history through the RN, Hell our first commissioned ship was the Alfred named after teh English King. Much longer than the Russkis.

Or as stated from the website
www.history.navy.mil

On Friday, October 13, 1775, meeting in Philadelphia, the Continental Congress voted to fit out two sailing vessels, armed with ten carriage guns, as well as swivel guns, and manned by crews of eighty, and to send them out on a cruise of three months to intercept transports carrying munitions and stores to the British army in America. This was the original legislation out of which the Continental Navy grew and as such constitutes the birth certificate of the navy.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Patroklos


There is almost no portion of your Far/Central East terrirotry that the Mongols did not know about or indeed ride all over long before you guys were even called Russians.

And an endless tracts of resource rich inhabitable terrain discovered by the West were discovered by Vikings and some say - Chinese, long before you guys were called, wait a minute - you even didn't exist at that time.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Zkribbler


Or as stated from the website
www.history.navy.mil
On Friday, October 13, 1775, meeting in Philadelphia, the Continental Congress voted to fit out two sailing vessels, armed with ten carriage guns, as well as swivel guns, and manned by crews of eighty, and to send them out on a cruise of three months to intercept transports carrying munitions and stores to the British army in America. This was the original legislation out of which the Continental Navy grew and as such constitutes the birth certificate of the navy.

Ten guns in 1775, great ship, my ass. Our first modern frigate built in 1699, had 46 guns, iirc.

[Lancer]

Serb! Good to see you.

[Serb]

Hi!

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Serb

Ten guns in 1775, great ship, my ass. Our first modern fregate built in 1699, had 46 guns, iirc.

Be fair. Congress didn't even get the power to tax until 1788. It's hard to build a navy with no real money.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Serb

Yeah, right. I heard this story before, you holocaust denier.

Surely there was no intentionally initiated bio-warfare against the Native Americans. No smallpox-infected blankets, etc, right?

The only documented case was done by a British general named Amherst, during a siege. Never by the US govt, and even the UK govt never endorsed Amherts actions, IIUC. Youre getting close to the Gary Kasparov approach to history, serb.

[Lancer]

Originally posted by Zkribbler


Be fair. Congress didn't even get the power to tax until 1788. It's hard to build a navy with no real money.

I'm going to try in the Phils. I'm thinking of welding together some 55 gal drums into two pontoons, shapping on a deck and sail, adding a cooler and bartender, and mounting a 50 cal w/ gunner in case we run into pirates.

Just cheap.