For the homosexuals:

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Don't scare the boy. The thought that one might choose to go gay would scare him to the extent that he might just superglue his bumhole shut. And that's just not fair on the nurses that work in Emergency Rooms.

[Provost Harrison]

You know, having great dress sense, taste in interior decor and not have to put up with the nagging of a wife does have its appeal...although having a partner with a willy is deterring me on the other hand

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by LordShiva
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...hreadid=167957

DinoDoc failed. That thread would have been much better if he replaced "black" with "religious"

[Elok]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
DinoDoc failed. That thread would have been much better if he replaced "black" with "religious"

Hey, EoN said in this thread that he's not religious. Don't stereotype; we don't have ALL the morons.

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


DinoDoc failed.

Well why break the habit of a lifetime?

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Elok
Hey, EoN said in this thread that he's not religious. Don't stereotype; we don't have ALL the morons.

But adultery is a positive evolutionary trait

[Sirotnikov]

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[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Datajack Franit
Replace homosexual with black or jewish, and see if your point makes any sense.

It makes perfect sense.

My answer would be that I would like to be born Jewish, cause I think it is unique.

Many Jews would probably not share my view. Maybe even my parents.

Stop being so sensitive about everything gay related. Being gay is not holy.

[Agathon]

Re: For the homosexuals:

Originally posted by EyesOfNight
This came from a conversation with Ming. If scientists were to discover a gene that determines sexual preference, and they then discovered a way to make it so that they could reverse the disorder that causes homosexuality, would you choose to remain homosexual or would you choose to become heterosexual?

A more profound question is whether the law should allow such changes.

PH is probably right, but this ties in with many of the concerns about "designer children".

If it is possible to select traits before birth. the result will be a de facto discrimination against homosexuals and other put upon people. Imagine if it were possible to make your kid whiter, for example.

You can simplify the question to the following: may the liberties of individuals be restricted when the most likely result will be to create a hostile environment for others?

That's one of the most difficult ethical questions there is.

[EyesOfNight]

Your mistake is that you are equating sexuality with race. There is a norm for sexuality, there isn't one for race. It's perfectly normal to be black or white, it's not normal to be homosexual. Therefore there is no ethical question here because you would simply be bringing these people back into the norm. Do you not cure other disorders?

[Agathon]

Originally posted by EyesOfNight
Your mistake is that you are equating sexuality with race. There is a norm for sexuality, there isn't one for race. It's perfectly normal to be black or white, it's not normal to be homosexual. Therefore there is no ethical question here because you would simply be bringing these people back into the norm. Do you not cure other disorders?

Whether or not homosexuality is a disorder is largely irrelevant if you are going to grant people the freedom to choose.

Personally, I think that people who buy Britney Spears records have a mental disorder, but we have deemed that it's OK to choose those. Similarly, people who engage in sexual perversions such as bondage, fapping to internet porn, or group sex are free to engage in such activities.

If you granted people the freedom to choose the colour of their child's skin, then many people would probably make their children whiter.

I guess I'm saying is that you will allow people a free choice over their sexuality, but not over other things, such as their racial appearance. I don't see how you can allow one and not the other. If you had said that homosexuality was a perversion and that "conversion" would be mandatory for homosexuals, then you would be consistent. But you seem to imply that it is up to each individual to choose whether to stay gay or not.

[Datajack Franit]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov


Stop being so sensitive about everything gay related. Being gay is not holy.

Neither is cutting your foreskin with a butter knife

Your mistake is that you are equating sexuality with race. There is a norm for sexuality, there isn't one for race. It's perfectly normal to be black or white, it's not normal to be homosexual. Therefore there is no ethical question here because you would simply be bringing these people back into the norm. Do you not cure other disorders?

I consider homosexuality a matter of personal lifestyle, like preferring vanilla over chocolate. But I guess that having different tastes makes me abnormal.

[snoopy369]

Originally posted by EyesOfNight
Your mistake is that you are equating sexuality with race. There is a norm for sexuality, there isn't one for race. It's perfectly normal to be black or white, it's not normal to be homosexual. Therefore there is no ethical question here because you would simply be bringing these people back into the norm. Do you not cure other disorders?

Either sexuality is genetic - making it equivalent to race, where being Black is not the norm in America, nor is being White the norm in the Congo or China - or it is genetic with environmental aspects, making it equivalent to height or weight - or it is simply a choice, making it equivalent to liking chocolate or strawberries.

If it is genetic, it is no different than race - and has the same complex ethical issues of choice-at-birth [which are much more serious than self-choice, which should generally be allowed IMO]. If it is environmental with genetic influences, then it is basically in the same boat.

If it is a choice, then leave people alone to make that choice themselves

[snoopy369]

Originally posted by Datajack Franit
preferring vanilla over chocolate

Heathen! We need to find the cure for this now, and apply it to you forthwith!

[Ben Kenobi]

If it is a choice, then leave people alone to make that choice themselves

What if it's a choice like smoking?