UK accuses Russian of murdering ex-KGB spy

[Pekka]

It's about the response and how it's done, not if it's morally OK, murder seldom is.

If you want this guy, then you have to give up your guys as well. It goes both ways basically.

But I think the problem is that IMO it's a mistake to make it a public issue between states. I think what should be doen is send a message via intelligence community that we got you on this, let it be the last time or we will have a serious escalating problem. Should there be more cases, then it naturally will become a problem of public nature.

[C0ckney]

i doubt very much they'll give him up, but it will at least give us a chance to put some pressure on russia.

[DanS]

Weaksauce, Supercitizen.

You escalate on the first instance.

[Dauphin]

Good to see murder is murder.

If the Russians were, say, bankrolling BAE Systems like the Saudi's were, then the UK's investigation into the murder would have died a death, if you pardon the pun.

[Pekka]

DanS, Man, I know. But I'm not a diplomat or the .. voice taking care of the back channels. No sir. I can't be even trusted to serve hamburgers. There will be a problem.

[Zkribbler]

What did we do to Libya when it refused to turn over the murderers who put the bomb on the Lockerby flight?

[Pekka]

That would be an act of terrorism. A bit different. I hope people are able to make distinctions .

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by Pekka
I'm not sure if this such a good idea.

The way this has been handled is not exactly the best possible. IF it was some kind of an assassination (and not just random murder), well, there's problems with it. I don't think it's such a good idea to make it a big case, taunt another nation for it to basically give someone up.

THe minute they'll give up the person, that person is already labeled guilty, because of the assassination cloud hanging over him and being nailed by the media. So how does the state act... ? If they got hte dude and he is guilty, why give him up? If it was an assassination, don't give him up. If it WASN'T, do not give him up.

I don't see how Russia would give up this man, because of the nature of this case, guilty or not. So this is why I think this case was scewed up from the beginning.

It is a great piece of international chess on behalf of our authorities, you must admit. If they extradite him they lose face, and if they don't it is tantamount to guilt. Sir Humphrey would be proud

[Pekka]

I don't see how that's great chess. Yes, if you want someone to lose face, sure. Because you can be sure they won't give up, guilty or not.

However, why would you make that move? Chess is not one move game

[lord of the mark]

cause if you let them kill people with impunity on your soil, YOU lose face. Rather more so than if you let an ally kill a dissident YOU dont much care for.

[Pekka]

No you don't lose face at all. That's not a biggie. Just don't keep it as the #1 topic for such a long time. Handle it differently and out of the media.

Then of course, I wouldn't even serve you a burger, because you have no manners.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Pekka
Then of course, I wouldn't even serve you a burger, because you have no manners.

Moi?

[DinoDoc]

Pekka; You have to understand that other countries don't have the historical reason's Finland and her people does to spread cheeks whenever Russia wants some cuddling. They might not take kindly to political assassinations taking place on thier soil without prior approval.

[Pekka]

DD, And maybe you can't read because Americans are known to be not so good at that area?

Give up your CIA guys. No?

I wouldn't serve you a hamburger either!

[Zkribbler]

Come to think of it, what happened to those CIA guys who were indicted in Italy?