UK accuses Russian of murdering ex-KGB spy

[Serb]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


Apparently some Russian parliamentarians say its not unconstitutional, its just not mandated, its up to the govt.

I hope that parliamentarian doesnt end up poisoned or shot

Plain BS.

The article #61 of our constitution is very clear on that.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov

From my research (on russian sites as well as english ones) Litvinenko did serve in the FSB in the counter-criminal special unit.

And the VV (vnutrenie voiska) are practically an MVD militia, so his relationship with state power structures is not weakened at all, especially if he was somehow a VV spentsnaz.

Do you have sources in Russian I could read to substantiate your POV?

Admittedly most of what I read is anti-putin. To me it seems much closer to objective that the Moscow spin though.

And I'm usually good at recognizing active measures.

Not now.

Tommorow maybe.
I don't want to screw up my such pleasant evening.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
You signed up as a member of Nashi yet, Serb?

Is that the Putin Youth?

[KrazyHorse]

They prefer "Putin Jugend"

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Serb
Yeah. I voted for Glaziev.

How is that different than voting for Putin?

[Sirotnikov]

Originally posted by Serb
Not now.

Tommorow maybe.
I don't want to screw up my such pleasant evening.

I'm not suggesting an argument.
I'm willing to read links you provide.

Priyatnovo tebe, vechera

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Serb


Plain BS.

The article #61 of our constitution is very clear on that.

Ok.

Could the Russian govt allow Brit prosecutors to meet this guy on Russian soil, with no one from the Russian state present, to discuss whether he might voluntarily want to come to UK rather than face prosecution in Russia?

[Dinner]

It depends on if the Russians could be counted on to be honest or continue being corrupt men of Putin.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov


I'm not suggesting an argument.
I'm willing to read links you provide.

Priyatnovo tebe, vechera

Try this:

http://www.lenta.ru/lib/14166924/full.htm

I was wrong (partially). He did serve in Vnutrennie Voiska, but later he became an active FSB agent. And I heard myself (TV show) how Hakkamada said that this: "Ëèòâèíåíêî óòâåðæäàë, ÷òî Ïîëèòêîâñêàÿ, ñ êîòîðîé îí ÿêîáû ïîääåðæèâàë äðóæåñêèå îòíîøåíèÿ, âî âðåìÿ ñâîèõ âèçèòîâ â Ëîíäîí æàëîâàëàñü íà ëè÷íûå óãðîçû îò ðîññèéñêîãî ïðåçèäåíòà, êîòîðûå åé ïåðåäàâàëà èçâåñòíûé äåÿòåëü ðîññèéñêîé îïïîçèöèè Èðèíà Õàêàìàäà " is just a lie, she never said that to Litvinenko and didn't meet Putin for years.

http://ura.ru/content/world/29-11-2006/news/14404.html

http://www.newsru.co.il/world/02apr2007/berez_110.html

[Serb]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


Ok.

Could the Russian govt allow Brit prosecutors to meet this guy on Russian soil, with no one from the Russian state present, to discuss whether he might voluntarily want to come to UK rather than face prosecution in Russia?

1) I suspect this is not possible according to our laws.
2) I suspect that such situation (foreigners interrogating UK citizen on UK soil without representatives of the British state) is also illegal in UK.
3) Lugovoy already meet with British investigators and said that he is ready to meet them again on UK soil any time. His lawer said that that arrest warrant is illegal, since his client never avoided meetings with British investigators.

[Drogue]

Originally posted by Serb
We won't extradite the guy to UK, because he is a Russian citizen and it's against our constitution to extradite our citizens to other country. If they provide enough evidence he might face the court in Russia though.

But didn't you sign the treaty with the EU agreeing to extradite people for certain crimes? If so, it seems strange that the constitutional issue went unnoticed then...

[Serb]

Originally posted by Drogue

But didn't you sign the treaty with the EU agreeing to extradite people for certain crimes? If so, it seems strange that the constitutional issue went unnoticed then...

As far as I know, we don't have a treaty with UK. They don't extradite people we want (Berezovsky, Zakaev. etc). Why should we?

As for the treaty with EU, I believe its about extradition of foreigners to EU countries, NOT Russian citizens.
Once again - UK don't extradite RUSSIAN citizens from UK to Russia. Why the hell we should extradite a Russian citizen from Russia to UK? Considering that you don't extradite Russians to Russia, I highly doubt you would ever extradite a UK citizen to Russia. So, you have no right to demand the same from Russia.

[lord of the mark]

my understanding is that the EU treaty has an out clause, that allows Russia to try Russian citizens in Russia if they cant be extradited according to Russian law.

My further understanding is that the UK DOES extradite to Russia. It hasnt extradited the invididuals Serb has named, because they dont beleive the evidence of crimes that Moscow has presented is sufficient.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
my understanding is that the EU treaty has an out clause, that allows Russia to try Russian citizens in Russia if they cant be extradited according to Russian law.

Well they could try the killer but you and everyone else knows how likely that is to happen.

[Serb]

Provide enough proofs and we will see what happen.