UK accuses Russian of murdering ex-KGB spy

[DinoDoc]

Nothing at all.

[Serb]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
My further understanding is that the UK DOES extradite to Russia.

Hm, any examples, please?

[Serb]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Nothing at all.

[DinoDoc]

Your cries of "provide us with evidence!" ring about as hollow as those of the Taliban after 9/11.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Serb


Hm, any examples, please?

You want me to search for records of minor Russian mafiosi? I said it was my understanding that UK does extradite Russians. If you think Im wrong, give me cite, one that doesnt refer to only Zakeev and Berezovsky. Surely Russia has asked for various minor criminals to be extradited, not just chechens and billionaires?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Well they could try the killer but you and everyone else knows how likely that is to happen.

actually they might very well try the killer. And imprison him. And then either A. he disappears in the Russian prison system, probably he "dies", and then someone else with no known past appears living in a comfy dacha, with an FSB guard out front. or B. They decide not to take chances, and they DO kill him.

What will NOT happen, and what might happen in a trial in UK, is that the killer cuts a deal with the prosecution to implicate the higher ups who ordered the hit. I mean who thinks this guy killed Litvinenko on his own? The goal here is not to achieve Texas style justice on the hitman, its to find out who actually ordered the hit. And, if what some of us think is true IS true, its the govt of Russias goal to prevent that from happening.

[Serb]

YOU accuse the guy WITHOUT any evidence. Great!

[Serb]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Your cries of "provide us with evidence!" ring about as hollow as those of the Taliban after 9/11.

Bullsh!t.
When you accuse someone you have to prove your point with some real evidences. If you don't have them - shut up. Simple as that.

[Serb]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


You want me to search for records of minor Russian mafiosi? I said it was my understanding that UK does extradite Russians. If you think Im wrong, give me cite, one that doesnt refer to only Zakeev and Berezovsky. Surely Russia has asked for various minor criminals to be extradited, not just chechens and billionaires?

Hey, YOU said they DO extradite Russians to Russia, not me. So it's you who have to prove your point, not me proving that you are wrong. I'm not in aware of any cases of extradition of Russians to Russia from UK (not to mention extradition of UK citizens from UK to Russia). You said this happens, so asked for examples.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Serb


Hey, YOU said they DO extradite Russians to Russia, not me. So it's you who have to prove your point, not me proving that you are wrong. I'm not in aware of any cases of extradition of Russians to Russia from UK (not to mention extradition of UK citizens from UK to Russia). You said this happens, so asked for examples.

I said its my understanding that it happens. go check the quote. I didnt express certainty.

here, btw, is an article on UK extradition law. It does NOT list individuals extradited to Russia, but if I read it right it shows no legal block to a proper extradition request.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition_Act_2003

[Drogue]

Originally posted by Serb
As far as I know, we don't have a treaty with UK. They don't extradite people we want (Berezovsky, Zakaev. etc). Why should we?

As for the treaty with EU, I believe its about extradition of foreigners to EU countries, NOT Russian citizens.
Once again - UK don't extradite RUSSIAN citizens from UK to Russia. Why the hell we should extradite a Russian citizen from Russia to UK? Considering that you don't extradite Russians to Russia, I highly doubt you would ever extradite a UK citizen to Russia. So, you have no right to demand the same from Russia.

We don't extradite financial criminals, no. If you were to formally charge someone with murder, then that would be a different matter. I'm not an expert on this, I just read that there was a joint Russia-EU treaty that anyone formally charged with murder would be extradited to face those charges.

[Drogue]

Originally posted by Serb
Hey, YOU said they DO extradite Russians to Russia, not me. So it's you who have to prove your point, not me proving that you are wrong. I'm not in aware of any cases of extradition of Russians to Russia from UK (not to mention extradition of UK citizens from UK to Russia). You said this happens, so asked for examples.

I'm not sure there are examples, I'm not sure you've ever charged a UK citizen with muder of a Russian citizen in Russia.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Serb
YOU accuse the guy WITHOUT any evidence. Great!

You see in real countries verdicts aren't decided before hand. They only decide if the evidence justifies holding someone for trial which they clearly do. If the Russian justice system wasn't so corrupt that they can't even do a proper investigation and try and hinder the proper one you'd know this.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Serb
YOU accuse the guy WITHOUT any evidence. Great!

Im an internet poster, speculating on some possible future happenings, not a court of law rendering a verdict. Calm down.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Drogue

We don't extradite financial criminals, no. If you were to formally charge someone with murder, then that would be a different matter. I'm not an expert on this, I just read that there was a joint Russia-EU treaty that anyone formally charged with murder would be extradited to face those charges.

Zakaev is charged with multiply murders (including murders of Russian police officers) and he still lives in UK.