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Originally posted by Heresson
Ban Serb and teh evil spam will disappear
And next time you join in... you will be.Keep on Civin'
RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O
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You forgot to close the thread!
Go ahead Etchy, if you got something else I roll with it."The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.
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Noteworthy article on what is really going on in Russian-American relations. By Stephen F. Cohen. In fact, it contains many things said out here on Poly in Russia's defense. If you strictly adhere to the Washington Post line on the issue, skip the reading. But if you really want to understand something beyond what your mainstream media instil in you, this is just for you.
Freedom is just unawareness of being manipulated.
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I hate anti-mainstrem rhetorics in internet discussions. It makes the entire issue lose all its worthwileness.
Apart from that, I find the continuedly used comparison to the pre-1991 world order by referencing to the term "Cold War" extremely unhelpful in analysing strategic situations and judging the behaviour of countries.
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Originally posted by Ecthy
I hate anti-mainstrem rhetorics in internet discussions. It makes the entire issue lose all its worthwileness.
Apart from that, I find the continuedly used comparison to the pre-1991 world order by referencing to the term "Cold War" extremely unhelpful in analysing strategic situations and judging the behaviour of countries.
Besides, the author clearly states that now it's not quite the same cold war as it was before. It's also a cold war, but different on some key aspects.Freedom is just unawareness of being manipulated.
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1. Bring up non-mainstream stuff if you must, but do acknowledge that any discussion needs common grounds. That article isn't anti-mainstream anyway, as in it doesn't involveconspiracy theories, mystical connections or appeals to long-dead emotions in any way. It's a certain point of view properly put in a respected paper.
2. His reasoning has holes. He tries to draw parallels but it still isn't quite the same stuff. Russia IS a lot weaker than the USSR was, the ideological difference IS less significant etc. pp.
Besides, the term 'cold war' more than demoninates a historical pattern in international relations. It also carries conotatios of an emotional sort. And it has a relation to "the past", as in "you're using cold war rhetorics so you're backwards". To properly get a grip of what goes on you should stick to the observations themselves not make an effort to put it into comparison with stuff long past.
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Originally posted by Ecthy
I hate anti-mainstrem rhetorics in internet discussions. It makes the entire issue lose all its worthwileness.
Apart from that, I find the continuedly used comparison to the pre-1991 world order by referencing to the term "Cold War" extremely unhelpful in analysing strategic situations and judging the behaviour of countries."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
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Originally posted by Ecthy
1. Bring up non-mainstream stuff if you must, but do acknowledge that any discussion needs common grounds. That article isn't anti-mainstream anyway, as in it doesn't involveconspiracy theories, mystical connections or appeals to long-dead emotions in any way. It's a certain point of view properly put in a respected paper.
2. His reasoning has holes. He tries to draw parallels but it still isn't quite the same stuff. Russia IS a lot weaker than the USSR was, the ideological difference IS less significant etc. pp.
Besides, the term 'cold war' more than demoninates a historical pattern in international relations. It also carries conotatios of an emotional sort. And it has a relation to "the past", as in "you're using cold war rhetorics so you're backwards". To properly get a grip of what goes on you should stick to the observations themselves not make an effort to put it into comparison with stuff long past.Freedom is just unawareness of being manipulated.
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Originally posted by Ecthy
No experience with the Nation here, but the Wiki article on it says they're lefty. Does that equal stalinist on Wiki?
When a group of non-commie lefties (schlesinger, hook, Arendt, etc) denounced BOTH Nazism and Stalinism as totalitarian in '38, the editor of the Nation said the term should only be used for fascism. She DID express her unhappiness at the show trials of '38 - it would have been impossible to maintain any credibility without doing that, and most anti-communist or Trotskyite lefties in the US had given up on the USSR well before that - we see that cover still works, as in the Wiki article. They were consistently friendly to the USSR, including through the cold war.
Maybe fellow travelers is a better description, or "anti-anti-communist"
And yes, they are a well established magazine (founded in 1865 by abolitionists) , and the voice of a certain part
of the American left, do definitely "mainstream" in that sense."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
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Originally posted by The Vagabond
Sticking labels on proponents of a different point of view is not quite democratic a practice by itself.
In a democracy youre allowed to criticize those you disagree with. Its the STATE thats not allowed to interfere with speech.
Youve got a lot to learn about democracy."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
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Originally posted by lord of the mark
even where those labels are accurate?
In a democracy youre allowed to criticize those you disagree with. Its the STATE thats not allowed to interfere with speech.
Youve got a lot to learn about democracy.Freedom is just unawareness of being manipulated.
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Originally posted by The Vagabond
There is a huge difference between sticking labels a priori and a posteriori.
."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
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