Russia to temporarily withdraw from Treaty on Conventional Forces in Europe

[Ecthy]

The idea is that they can kill only so much missiles and since they come in a swarm some will always come through. Does the carrier deck support any hits or is it totally unusable for planes after only one hit?

[DRoseDARs]

Originally posted by Patroklos


All tests are rigged...

Don't be dense. The test targets had special homing signals ... and the test missiles managed to reliably NOT hit them. Rain and clouds screw up the test missiles too. You think the the real thing will have signals screaming, "HERE I AM, COME HIT ME!" or will wait for a sunny day?

The system works for what it is supposed to do.

And what's that? Be a dismal failure and a total waste of taxpayers' money?

That is the funny thing, the system is so mission specific and limited in capabilities that to even suggest it has anything to do with MAD balance is stupid.

Tell that to Putin. Maybe he'll shut his whiny hole for once...

[Colon™]

Seems reasonable to assume that one day ICBM interception systems will be effective. Naturally, that day will never arrive if you don't research for it.

[Patroklos]

So how ridiculous are China's attempts at obtaining carriers? Do you share the War Nerd's interpretation that carriers are close to obsolete in the age of Exocet missiles?

The idea is that they can kill only so much missiles and since they come in a swarm some will always come through. Does the carrier deck support any hits or is it totally unusable for planes after only one hit?

The war nerd is an idiot, even if I like his articles for the entertainment/style value.

Exocets are no threat. They would require a relatively close surface/air platform to launch. There are shore based versions but how often are our carriers within 50nm of the shore during combat ops.

The war nerds opinion seems to be based on an Iran scenario, with the Navy falling prey to shore based batteries/small boat attacks. Some points on this.

1.) Yes, if a warship is caught in the Straights of Hormuz when hostilities break out chances are it will go down.

2.) Above scenario would mean a suprise attack by Iran, because we wouldn't transit the straights in a shooting war until at least the missile batteries there were nuetralized.

3.) C-802s/C-809s and Irans few Suburns don't have the range to cover the whole Gulf, so except for a required presence at the Iraqi oil platforms very little of the fleet would be within missile range anyway (and those missiles would only survive a few days cruise missile/ariel bombardment anyway).

4.) Iran has not had a successful shore battery missile test in the better part of a decade. They just tried again a few months ago.

So just some cursory reasons the war Nerd is stupid. And like Lonestar said, that swarm of missiles has to get through our swarm of missiles, then our point defenses, then chaff and most importantly work correctly in the first place.

The carrier deck is much higher than most warships, so even with a pop up maneuver most missiles will still hit the side of the carrier. It all depends on what it hits, and where.

[Krill]

Why don't missiles go up a couple of miles and then drop vertically onto ships? The speed that they would reach ought to make it harder for point defences to target the incoming missiles.

[BeBMan]

But they would be easier to get while going up I guess.

[Patroklos]

But they would be easier to get while going up I guess

Bingo.

Most anti-ship missiles skim the surface to avoid detection as long as possible. The pop up is for two things.

1.) Targeting. Rarely is an anit-ship missile going to have real time data on its intended target. Thes missiles have ranges of 40nm+ which is pretty much the max range of most naval surface radar due to curvature reasons. So you shoot on a targets last known location, or on a target someone else has eyes on but that data can't make it to the missile. So it pops up (skimming the surface it can't see much) when it gets to the target area to acquire its prey.

2.) For the few ships that have armor, it is on the sides not decks, so the pop up is so it can dive down onto the target.

[Kuciwalker]

Exocets are no threat. They would require a relatively close surface/air platform to launch. There are shore based versions but how often are our carriers within 50nm of the shore during combat ops.

I'd hope never, seems like an easy way to get grounded.

[Patroklos]

I'd hope never, seems like an easy way to get grounded.

Most places you have to be within 2-3nm from land before hitting shoal water. Some places like the Gulf are more tricky.

[Kuciwalker]

whoosh

[Winston]

You're that thing you always call other people.

[Kuciwalker]

[lord of the mark]

the two letter acronym crisis strikes again.

[Kuciwalker]

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[RGBVideo]

I think they're naval miles (n.m.), not nanometers (nm).