Russia to temporarily withdraw from Treaty on Conventional Forces in Europe

[DanS]

Originally posted by Colonâ„¢
I told you before it's a necessity to make them feel important.

Why is it a necessity to provide a sop toward Russian vanity and nationalism? Just because they're a bunch of manic-depressive slavs?

Seriously, it seems like some Euros think that if they aren't sucking Russki pecker, they're somehow offending proper Russki sensibilities.

[Colonâ„¢]

Originally posted by DanS


Why is it a necessity to provide a sop toward Russian vanity and nationalism? Just because they're a bunch of manic-depressive slavs?

Seriously, it seems like some Euros think that if they aren't sucking Russki pecker, they're somehow offending proper Russki sensibilities.

I'm not saying Russia's ego should be stroked, I'm just saying that discussing the ABM's potential is beside the point.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Saras
this is for domestic consumption

Yep, the deployment of new missile systems doesn't violate the treaty as long as the US still has room left in its quota. Given how deep the cuts in US Forces in Europe has been since 1990 I'd imagine there is still plenty of quota left. Since there isn't a valid treaty violation then why is Putin doing this? Simple, he has to be seen as doing something even if it is completely meaningless.

[Emetri]

All rhetorics. Russia has no place dictating to NATO how NATO is to secure itself against outside threats. The sooner Russia realises as much the better, which is why there should be no inter-partial talks on such subjects.

Where NATO's security is concerned, Russia is precisely entitled to.. STFU.

[Ecthy]

Is recognizing the destabilizing effect of a political move now tantamount to sucking pecker?

[Colonâ„¢]

It's destabilising because of the manner in which they choose to react. You could build a giant catapult in Warsaw and they'd still kick up a fuss.

[Ecthy]

I'm actually labelling their reaction as destabilizing, as you do, but also try to point to the reasons behind it.

[Ecthy]

Here's a nice article that explains how the missile shield could present a potential threat to Russia in face of losing MAD, due to a possible US nuclear supremacy and thus a Russian loss of a strong second strike capacity.

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20060301faessay85204/keir-a-lieber-daryl-g-press/the-rise-of-u-s-nuclear-primacy.html

[Heresson]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph
Yes, I think it will be as hard for them as it was 39/40.

By the time Soviets entered, most important polish territories were already in german hand. Polish forces were ordered NOT to fight the Soviets.
Baltic States weren't fighting either.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by aneeshm


A seriously demilitarized Europe would be a disaster in the long run. Does nobody remember the lessons of the last European world war?

Must European countries are barely breaking 2% of their GDPs on defense. The European militaries are, for the most part, a joke compared to what they once were.

[RGBVideo]

Only people who are studying IR are taking this seriously, for the more people discuss about this the more IR majors will get employed as experts on the subject.

All rhetorics. Russia has no place dictating to NATO how NATO is to secure itself against outside threats. The sooner Russia realises as much the better [...]

Where NATO's security is concerned, Russia is precisely entitled to.. STFU.

[Sandman]

2% is plenty.

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by Sandman
2% is plenty.

I completely agree. They are safe from invasion what more do they need?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Geronimo
I completely agree. They are safe from invasion what more do they need?

Them to STFU about how the US runs things then.

[Nikolai]

Yay. Russia's getting a bit too sensitive these days. But while this is serious, a news bit I read in a Norwegian paper today is just silly: A retired woman who was on a tourist trip to the place Norway's, Finland's and Russia's borders meet(popular tourist attraction for some reason) went 1 meter too far when she took a picture, violating Russia's border. She was photographed by the Russians, which promptly sent a message to the Norwegian officials requesting them to punish her on the basis of an old treaty from the Cold War. And here in Norway officials are careful not to hurt Russian feelings, so when she came back to the bus, she was arrested and later fined.