Leftist youth groups conduct street battles with police in Copenhagen

[Pekka]

Kid, you see, I knew you could appreciate it Crap, I feel so bad about the joke now that yes, I think they should get you a harley davidson. A red one, but still, a harley!

[Kidlicious]

Why don't you guys shut your crap holes so that LotM can post?

[Pekka]

Good idea. I have a movie to watch so.. I'll get to that. Have fun people. No rocks.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by laurentius


Never said or implied so. We jsut happen to have this tradition of civic discussion and consensus here in Scandinavia. That means that the local city council actually listenes and negotiates with the people. Hell in some cases hey actually even REPRESENT the people. The court room mania is a later invention, clearly originating from America.

City councils listen to and negotiate with the people here, and of course represent them. But sometimes a particular group, say a minority which lost the election, has a gripe that cant be resolved through negotiation. Then they can sue, if they feel their rights were violated.

Now it would appear that in this case in Copenhagen consensus and discussion has failed. YOU said that the city govt had violated an agreement. If so, a court case would seem to be in order.


Certainly not recourse to violence against the democratic state.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Pekka
Kid, you see, I knew you could appreciate it Crap, I feel so bad about the joke now that yes, I think they should get you a harley davidson. A red one, but still, a harley!

They better or I will kick their asses!

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Pekka
Ludd, I'll take that seriously when I see you digging mines out of the land in Cambodia or somewhere in Africa. Before that, you're just a leecher yourself.

I did include myself in what I said.

And it's not leeching, it's brutal exploitation.

And demining isn't going to do **** about it, it's a problem inherent in the system of government and civilized society.

[ZEE]

Originally posted by laurentius
Exactly! So why doesnt the Copenhagen city council or the Danish government respect these fundamental values? To civil society to function you have to have the popular support just like you implied. That cant be achieved with police in riot gear and antiterrorism task forces. The soviets tried it too, and they will be eternally hated for that. And for a good reason too.

this argument is, quite frankly... getting STALE. we already KNOW why the antiterrorism forces were there. Hmm.... RIOT gear to a RIOT? Naww... makes too much sense to me.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by laurentius


Exactly! So why doesnt the Copenhagen city council or the Danish government respect these fundamental values? To civil society to function you have to have the popular support just like you implied. That cant be achieved with police in riot gear and antiterrorism task forces. The soviets tried it too, and they will be eternally hated for that. And for a good reason too.

Again, if the Copenhagen council was acting illegally, why no legal case?

[Saras]

Originally posted by laurentius
Exactly! So why doesnt the Copenhagen city council or the Danish government respect these fundamental values? To civil society to function you have to have the popular support just like you implied. That cant be achieved with police in riot gear and antiterrorism task forces. The soviets tried it too, and they will be eternally hated for that. And for a good reason too.

Don't tell me you were actually trolling all this time...

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
Certainly not recourse to violence against the democratic state.

I don't think they are trying to overthrough democracy here. They are just trying to draw attention to their cause.

[Pekka]

"
I did include myself in what I said.

And it's not leeching, it's brutal exploitation."

Yeah. Not so one-dimensional with Asia anymore, still a bit harsh mostly though. We'll see what happens, I think more people are going to be able to lift thmselves up, so that's good, but at the same time I think they will lose a lot of values, and the negative side of capitalism will have darker clouds in there than in here. We'll have to wait and see though. Africa will be exploited in the future as well, I think it's a safe bet, but I wouldn't point a lot of fingers at certain groups, there's lots of exploiters in Europe as well, and not all of them are right wing...

[laurentius]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


Well rather obviously if youre dead or in a slave labor camp you cant get health care or education. But then again if youre dead or a slave you cant get property rights, or right of contract, or freedom to participate in a stock exchange, or whatever. You might as well say the Nazis opposed those too. However your implication that the Nazis particularly opposed the welfare state, etc was misleading.

Dont blame me for you lack of understanding. Of course the Nazis are opposed to equality, that is part of the very definition of a nazi! Juts like I said. property rights included. AFAIK they nationalised many corporations and companies but lets not get into that this time shall we.

because we live in a society where there are several alternatives, including peaceful political action, and lawsuits, first. And because folks in the USSR were trying to get basic rights, freedom of speech, etc, not to seize particular pieces of property.

No, clearly there are NO alternatives. The only thing acceptable to the right wing politicians is to be a profitable, obedient citizen. Not some damn "freeloader" artist, handicapped, hippie, pacifist or any damn anarcho-communist. This is the same battle brother! The battle for alternatives and tolerance! Who much does it hurt us to have a place like Ungdomshuset? What are the real costs? I say it is very very profitable at the end for a city to have a place like that.

[General Ludd]

Why does everyone here value democracy?

The difference between democracy and a dictatorship is the difference between being a slave and working in the field, or being a slave and working in the master's house, where you can get more privileges. Sure, given the choice, it's nicer to be in the masters house, but you're still a slave, and it doesn't do **** for all the people in the fields generating the wealth that you and your master enjoy.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Kidicious


I don't think they are trying to overthrough democracy here. They are just trying to draw attention to their cause.

they arent trying to overthrow democracy. Nonetheless they are using violence against the law of a democratic state.

The state cannot allow anyone to use violence whenever they think it will help give PR to a cause. Not even if nice people think its a good cause.

[laurentius]

Originally posted by General Ludd
Why does everyone here value democracy?

The difference between democracy and a dictatorship is the difference between being a slave and working in the field, or being a slave and working in the master's house, where you can get more privileges. Sure, given the choice, it's nicer to be in the masters house, but you're still a slave, and it doesn't do **** for all the people in the fields generating the wealth that you and your master enjoy.

Yes it is quite absurd to think that 200 can represent 5 million. It is however the best alternative we have at the moment. We just have to treat those 200 mps as our slaves and never let them forget who is their master.