Leftist youth groups conduct street battles with police in Copenhagen

[Pekka]

Right. What the radical left wants to see here is a people's uprising against wrong. This might be the biggest joke so far in the year of 2007. And I call it radical left because it says 'right wing' when you only say, well, violence is too much for what has happened. If it makes you right wing to not support violence when some random kids lose their premises, go on, I must be a real conservative then. If wanting peaceful and intelligent, constructive and productive solutions is right, I dont' want to be left.

What the rest of us see is violence, an outburst because someone didn't get to have their meeting place anymore. NOW, I think most of us would still agree, that a city should provide free places for young people to meet, like this one was.

I think that most of us would support an organized demonstration, a PEACEFUL protest. The difference between us is that we don't think violence here is the answer. We don't believe this is such a big deal that violence and destruction should be an acceptable method. It doesn' tmean we think people should never rise up against the powers. We just compare what happened to the response from the punks, and we kind of think, hmm... that's not good, in fact that's screwed up, in fact they just want to riot and that is it, it's an excuse to destroy things.

So, you support violence. We don't. That's the difference. Better yet, you support random violence. We don't.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Pekka
It is OBVIOUS you guys wouldn't be defending if these kids were neonazis.

I support neonazis fighting the police even more. That way, there's no possible negative outcome. The police get ****ed, and so do nazis. They never do, though, 'cause when the neonazis protest the police turn up to protect them from the always much larger number of counter-protestors. They're on the same side, which isn't surprising when you consider how much the nazis valued a police force.

But you guys support them because they're close to your heart. It is obvious.

Like I said before, I don't know **** about them. All I know is that they're fighting the police. I like seeing violence go up the ladder for a change.

[BeBMan]

You'd have loved living during the Weimar Republic in the 30ies, Ludd. Violence from all political sides, and see how great it turned out.

[Pekka]

Well. I can't say you're a hypocrite on this one then. I won't even criticize this very much. If you're honest about, .. well just wanting to see some groups fighting cops, I guess that's just something we disagree on but I respect your opinion. At least it's not full of illusions.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Pekka

The difference between us is that we don't think violence here is the answer. We don't believe this is such a big deal that violence and destruction should be an acceptable method.

Bull****, you are supporting the violence of the police. Again - violence down the ladder goes unoticed, while violence up the ladder is unthinkable.

So, you support violence. We don't. That's the difference. Better yet, you support random violence. We don't.

Yeah, you're supporting organized violence instead. Don't pretend to be some sort of ****ing pacifist when you cheer on people geared up in body armour and equiped with batons, guns, and chemical grenades.


[duuurrr] Who is your snotty 'We' in your last paragraph, btw? [/duuurrr]

[Pekka]

I support control over random violence, yes. I don't support anarchy. You know who gets ****ed up when there's no one to enforce the law? The weak ones. They do always, but then they'd get even more so.

Police didn't start this one. THat's why I don't view them as the baddies here.

[Saras]

Why argue with a tool who thinks violence would cease if we stopped eating pork? what a waste. Move on!

[Arrian]

What violence did the police commit here, by the way?

Violence against the police is clearly *not* unthinkable. It happens plenty. The thing is, most of us look to the police to protect us, because we're not fighters ourselves. That's the deal. I don't carry a gun, and I'd be useless in a fight. No police, no "civil society" and I'm screwed.

-Arrian

[Pekka]

Yeah, I guess the school in Christiania was part of the fascist propaganda regime as well and had to be destroyed, as well as all the cars, symbols of oppression. Why give monopoly to some group when you can get a boner from destruction as well?

[laurentius]

Originally posted by Pekka
It is OBVIOUS you guys wouldn't be defending if these kids were neonazis. Just too obvious.

And just how is that relevant with anything here? I admit I probably would not defend neonazis. Why would I? They represent the very things these Danes oppose. Of course I pick sides and am willing to stand for the values I support. these values are the very same ones our Western democracies are found on. Individual liberty, democracy, tolerance, free market, compassion, equal opportunities, universal free education and health care and pacifism. These are the things the neonazis oppose so why in the name of God would I defend them. Only a true nihilist can even demand me to.

It is also obvious these kids.. it's not about the club house. THey have gotten chances to get another one. But they want THIS one. So it's only symbolic, and they want to attack people and their property because of something symbolic like this. And it's vaguely even symbolic, it's just an excuse to riot and fight.

Yeah it obviously isnt just about this club house anymore. They have been offered to purchase a new property. Why should they agree. Legally they first had made a deal with the city. The city betrayed them and is clearly breaking the deal. The house they are in is in many ways historically important and didnt deserve to be demolished like this.

Yes they got angry and ran amok, just like they promised 4 months ago! Still the politicians went forward with this. Just like Bush with his Iraq war the politicians never really wanted to find a solution, they just wanted gore and violence so that they could then get somekind of mandate as keepers of social order when in fact they are the only threats to the order themselves. So lets give them what they want. Lets make them fear. The trashing of the school was of course unfortunate and unacceptable but bear in mind that it was a symbol of the state indoctrination. Personally I would have invaded the city council building.

Don't act like this is the 'people's uprising against totalitarian government'. It's ****ing Denmark, these kids are punks who couldn't be freeloading anymore. Too bad. Maybe it was because the city got greedy and they sold the house. It's possible. It's even very likely. SO WHAT?

And we got **** like 'uuh I don't like I should be paying rent at all if I go and live in a house someone else built and paid for'. And then calls other people naive. WTF isn't even enough to describe the paradox on that one.

I suggest you wake up. Denmark isnt the happy beer drinking viking land it used to. Nowadays it is governed by a black cloud that breathes toxic fumes into peoples lives.

But, go, support violence. Be proud of the violent folks who get off sexually from this. Just remember, if it wasn't one of yours, you'd be hating on them just like the rest of us are right now. And that's why it's a fact that YOU are the hypocrites on this one.

Violence doesnt sexually arouse me. From your rants I would think it is you who gets vertically integrated from mayhem. As said before i admit I would not support riot like these if they were conducted by right wing nut jobs like you Pekka.

The funniest part is when someone actually believes this is 'the poor people fighting back'. No it isn't .. this is middle class kids breaking stuff and getting boners from the destruction.

What the ****ing difference does it make where these kids come from and what is their social background? Who has decided that only people with poor family background can fight for social justice!? You!? Gimme a ****ing break.

I bet these kids dont EARN money or OWN property enough to qualify as middle class.

The day social justice will be achieved is when the poor, middle class and rich people all work together in united front and understanding. To see rich people vouching for left wing parties is to see people who are able to think outside the cage where people define them into.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Saras
Why argue with a tool who thinks violence would cease if we stopped earing pork? what a waste. Move on!

Earing pork may well be kosher. Gross, but kosher.

[Saras]

Originally posted by Arrian
No police, no "civil society" and I'm screwed.

-Arrian

[kid, ludd and the rest of loonyleft]mission accomplished![/kid, ludd and the rest of loonyleft]

[Kidlicious]

Well I can't seem to get back into this amongst all the continual crap coming from the right. I wish for once one of them would say something intelligent.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by laurentius


And just how is that relevant with anything here? I admit I probably would not defend neonazis. Why would I? They represent the very things these Danes oppose. Of course I pick sides and am willing to stand for the values I support. these values are the very same ones our Western democracies are found on. Individual liberty, democracy, tolerance, free market, compassion, equal opportunities, universal free education and health care and pacifism.

I dont know about the Neonazis, but very much doubt the paleonazis opposed either free eduction or healthcare.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Saras
Why argue with a tool who thinks violence would cease if we stopped earing pork? what a waste. Move on!

Don't be a tool - I'm not claiming any such thing here.


That's been in my sig for years (from a time when I think I was still trying to hold onto pacifist ideals). But you're completely missing the point of it. The purpose of the quote is more to illustrate how industrial meat consumption is the perfect analogy of the patriarchal society of war and instiutionalized violence.