Leftist youth groups conduct street battles with police in Copenhagen

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by laurentius


Maybe they have. Maybe they dont have money or organised leadership? I dont know.

No it isnt too anglo-saxon, but its close. The less people have to go to courts to fight for their right the better. Nobody wants a court room obsessed Europe.

They cant find a sympathetic left wing lawyer willing to represent them for free? Such guys are like a dime a dozen over here.

Its better to fight for your rights in the streets than in the courtrooms? Better a violence obsessed Europe than a court room obsessed Europe?

Wow. I mean, wow.

[laurentius]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


No. Do you have a quote saying the nazis opposed either universal education, or the bare basics of the welfare state? Health care had been introduced in Germany by Bismarck, whom the Nazis worshipped. They were supported by industrialists, but AFAIK the German industrialists accepted the basic welfare state, even if they opposed its expansion.

Anyway, like most good anglo-saxons I think of the law as another principle of democracy and progressive politics, and think that lawful means, including peaceful political activity, and the courts, are the proper recourse against a state that is violating a contract. Not violence. In some instances a state may have become so authoritarian that these methods are not useful and violence is necessary. I dont see any evidence that that is the case in Denmark,

Uh..I think that the definition of nazi is to rule part of society outcasts? To deny their right for universal education, health care or basic civil rights. Thought you knew this.

Why was it ok to break law in the USSR. Or in the Thrid Reich? To be a dissident. And why isnt it ok anymore. Because we live in a perfect society where no laws should be opposed?

[Saras]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Why because someone said 'they broke the law' like 100 times? Yeah sure.

No, because you crackpot theories are based on a theoretically and practically faulty foundation that has its roots in Marxism.

[Pekka]

Saras, CLOSE that filthy snake mouth of yours. You drive a BMW. That means you are the enemy. You prolly afforded it because you were whipping my back when I worked.

[Saras]

Originally posted by laurentius
Why was it ok to break law in the USSR. Or in the Thrid Reich? To be a dissident. And why isnt it ok anymore. Because we live in a perfect society where no laws should be opposed?

No we don't. No society is perfect, because people are not perfect - but for a CIVIL society to fonction in you have to respect life, liberty and property. It's really that simple.

[laurentius]

Originally posted by lord of the mark



They cant find a sympathetic left wing lawyer willing to represent them for free? Such guys are like a dime a dozen over here.

Its better to fight for your rights in the streets than in the courtrooms? Better a violence obsessed Europe than a court room obsessed Europe?

Wow. I mean, wow.

Never said or implied so. We jsut happen to have this tradition of civic discussion and consensus here in Scandinavia. That means that the local city council actually listenes and negotiates with the people. Hell in some cases hey actually even REPRESENT the people. The court room mania is a later invention, clearly originating from America.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Saras


No, because you crackpot theories are based on a theoretically and practically faulty foundation that has its roots in Marxism.

Ugh, let me pull my boots up. Crap is getting higher.

[ZEE]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Ugh, let me pull my boots up. Crap is getting higher.

funny how you were the first to take a dump

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Pekka
Saras, CLOSE that filthy snake mouth of yours. You drive a BMW. That means you are the enemy. You prolly afforded it because you were whipping my back when I worked.

he doesn't need to whip your back to afford it. (and besides - you're living alongside him and I in the decadent west, anyways) There's other people doing the whiping (and bombing) for him in africa and asia so that he can afford it. Out of sight, out of mind.

[Saras]

Originally posted by Pekka
Saras, CLOSE that filthy snake mouth of yours. You drive a BMW. That means you are the enemy. You prolly afforded it because you were whipping my back when I worked.

Not only that - I also took all the food away from those 5 million starving Lithuanians and sold it to McDonalds! OOoohh ph33r me!!!1

[lord of the mark]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by laurentius

Uh..I think that the definition of nazi is to rule part of society outcasts? To deny their right for universal education, health care or basic civil rights. Thought you knew this.

Well rather obviously if youre dead or in a slave labor camp you cant get health care or education. But then again if youre dead or a slave you cant get property rights, or right of contract, or freedom to participate in a stock exchange, or whatever. You might as well say the Nazis opposed those too. However your implication that the Nazis particularly opposed the welfare state, etc was misleading.

Why was ok to break law in the USSR. To be a dissident. And why isnt it ok anymore. Because we live in a perfect society where no laws should be opposed?

because we live in a society where there are several alternatives, including peaceful political action, and lawsuits, first. And because folks in the USSR were trying to get basic rights, freedom of speech, etc, not to seize particular pieces of property.

[Pekka]

When you run out of boots, you can go for this one.. I'll bet the rich people will even raise money for you, so you don't have to stumble in the crap..

[Kidlicious]

Red

[Pekka]

Ludd, I'll take that seriously when I see you digging mines out of the land in Cambodia or somewhere in Africa. Before that, you're just a leecher yourself.

[laurentius]

Originally posted by Saras


No we don't. No society is perfect, because people are not perfect - but for a CIVIL society to fonction in you have to respect life, liberty and property. It's really that simple.

Exactly! So why doesnt the Copenhagen city council or the Danish government respect these fundamental values? To civil society to function you have to have the popular support just like you implied. That cant be achieved with police in riot gear and antiterrorism task forces. The soviets tried it too, and they will be eternally hated for that. And for a good reason too.