Al Gore Rumbled

[DanS]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
This smear smells of Karl Rove. It's like when he had the Swift Boat liars crawl out of the sewers to smear Kerry. Rove's motto: "When you're on the bad end of an issue [again], throw mud!"

Actually, this smells like Clinton. Rove already killed Gore.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by DanS
When they back up their words with actions, that's very powerful support.

If theyre wrong, theyre wrong anyway, and if theyre right theyre right anyway. Lots of folks beleive in charity who dont believe in the estate tax (and some who dont really "believe" in it, give it for the social benefits, etc) , and its perfectly reasonable OTOH to beleive in the estate tax without being willing to lessen your own estate while others dont diminish theirs.

Gore is either right on the science of climate change, or hes wrong. 500 solar panels on it wont make him right, and zero wont make him wrong.

Sorry if thats considered Ivory tower BS in some circles.

[DinoDoc]

Is Rove the mythical Dem Boogeyman?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by DanS


Actually, this smells like Clinton. Rove already killed Gore.

smells more like folks opposed to taxation or regulation of GHG to me. Less about '08, and more about, you know, global warming.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
Gore is either right on the science of climate change, or hes wrong. 500 solar panels on it wont make him right, and zero wont make him wrong.

If he's calling on others to cut energy usage and warning of the consequences of not doing so, what does that make him? Unworthy of scorn? Not a hypocrite?

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
This smear smells of Karl Rove. It's like when he had the Swift Boat liars crawl out of the sewers to smear Kerry. Rove's motto: "When you're on the bad end of an issue [again], throw mud!"

While we're at it...

Karl Rove Accused Of Throwing Midterm Elections

The Democrats' resounding midterm election triumph—sweeping both houses of Congress, as well as a majority of state legislatures and governorships—immediately bred suspicion among party leadership that Karl Rove, President Bush's closest adviser and the political mastermind behind Bush's rise to power, was once again pulling the strings.
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"Let's not celebrate just yet," Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean said on Nov. 8, shortly after the more closely contested seats were declared in the Democrats' favor. "This decisive Democratic victory could very well be part of an unfathomably brilliant plan of Karl Rove's to position the Republicans for the 2016 elections, and probably beyond. History has shown that the man is an unstoppable evil genius. You can't underestimate him."

Rove, who has consistently proven himself over the last 12 years to be the only person in Washington capable of affecting national elections, refused to comment.

"We were blindsided when he gave us the House, but then Rove really twisted the knife with the Senate victory," CNN's Paul Begala said. "Evidently, he must be five or six steps ahead on the chessboard, executing a strategy we can only guess at."

Political watchdog groups said that Rove left too many obvious clues. They pointed to the breaking of the Mark Foley sex scandal, the Jack Abramoff lobbying scandal, the political downfall of House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, the refusal of embattled Speaker Of The House Dennis Hastert and Secretary Of Defense Donald Rumsfeld to step down, and the deaths of hundreds of U.S. soldiers in Iraq since the 2004 presidential election. Even the escalating civil insurrection in Iraq "sports the trademark Rove touch," in the words of one blogger for the political website The Huffington Post.

"For a little while there, it looked like Rove's nefarious master plan might be undone by Kerry's bungled remarks about the troops, but it succeeded anyway," New York Times columnist Paul Krugman said. "Unless, of course, Kerry's remarks were all part of the plan, too."

Still others have posited a second Rove involvement theory, in which they believe he predicted a Republican victory two weeks' prior to Election Day so he could bet heavily on a Democratic victory and make "an enormous killing in Vegas." They speculate Rove then either kept the winnings for himself or funneled them into a GOP slush fund.

Rove did not return calls concerning these charges.

"Can't people see we're playing right into this man's hands?" Democratic Congressional Campaign Chairman Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-IL) said. "The fact that he did not address this issue publicly proves his collusion. Leave it to Rove to poison a victory this sweet."

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Is Rove the mythical Dem Boogeyman?

Naw, he's just an unprincipled smear merchant.
His favorite tactic is to smear an opponent in the area he's strongest end...if he's a war hero, call him a coward; if he helps improvished children, call him a pedophile; if he supports ecological soundness, call him a polluter.

[DinoDoc]

You could have just said yes and saved yourself a few seconds trying to explain your paranoia.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by mactbone
Hell yeah we should. I know I'm going to own the best house I can afford. Better than getting a car that'll just lose money.

Truth be told if you're gonna have a house that big more likely than not you'll need a huge honking SUV in order to carry stuff required to fill the empty spaces.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
If he's calling on others to cut energy usage and warning of the consequences of not doing so, what does that make him? Unworthy of scorn? Not a hypocrite?

If he was just calling for carbon taxes, as ive assumed (not having seen his movie) it would no make him a hypocrite than say, someone who pointed out the stupidtiy of rent control laws while living in a rent controlled apartment, or who called for end to subsidies of some consumer good without making a special effort to reduce usage of that consumer good. Handing out a scarce resource for free, rather than using price to allocate it, is stupid, and pointint that out doesnt create a moral obligation to sacrifice ones own interests by consuming less despite the good being offered free. Duh.

In any case it seems like Gore IS doing more than that - hes buying green power and building solar panels. But even thats not enough for CH, who seems to think such actions dont count cause Gore is so immoral as to be able to afford to do that. Apparently opposing handing out a scarce resource for free is wrong even if one is willing to voluntarily pay for it.

Sounds commie to me.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe


Truth be told if you're gonna have a house that big more likely than not you'll need a huge honking SUV in order to carry stuff required to fill the empty spaces.

nah, Mact can just hire gangs of third world laborers impoverished by the EEVIL global warming scaremongers, and imported thanks to the EEVIL PC multiculturalists, to carry all his stuff for him, while he cracks an Organic, environmentally approved whip over the heads.

[Provost Harrison]

Al Gore Rumbled

It was his stomach...he's been eating lard again

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


nah, Mact can just hire gangs of third world laborers impoverished by the EEVIL global warming scaremongers, and imported thanks to the EEVIL PC multiculturalists, to carry all his stuff for him, while he cracks an Organic, environmentally approved whip over the heads.

See that's the distinction between me and mactbone. I'm all about genetically modified mass produced whips.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe


See that's the distinction between me and mactbone. I'm all about genetically modified mass produced whips.

Im sure CH would be right alongside. Why should only pointy head intellectuall southern planters like Gore, with their vast plantations, get whips? Mass produced whips means ordinary folks like you and me get whips. Down with elitism!

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
In any case it seems like Gore IS doing more than that - hes buying green power and building solar panels. But even thats not enough for CH, who seems to think such actions dont count cause Gore is so immoral as to be able to afford to do that. Apparently opposing handing out a scarce resource for free is wrong even if one is willing to voluntarily pay for it.

Sounds commie to me.

If identifying with ordinary people who don't live in mansions and can't afford to buy 'carbon-neutral' solutions, pay more tax, or lower their living standards is communist, then so be it. If the irony can't be spotted and scorned when a profligate energy consumer demands that everyone cut down then so be it.

I agree that there are plenty of rich Americans who have vast scope for reducing their decadent energy consumption, if this is required. It's not them I'm worried about.