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Originally posted by Cort Haus
What? This must be some new meaning of the word 'hypocrite' that I was not previously aware of.
What? This must be some new meaning of the word 'hypocrite' that I was not previously aware of.
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I havent seen his film, but I assume that as a matter of public policy he supports a carbon tax, or some similar market solution. As long as hes willing and eager for that tax to apply to himself, I dont find him hypocritical. Same for a rich man who supports progressive taxation, but doesnt give a lot of charity. You can want a policy solution that forces all to contribute, and not want to make a voluntary personal sacrifice on your own that others may not follow."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber -
Originally posted by DanS
Not taking personal responsibility? I must admit that's pretty pathetic. Not at all above 99.9% of the limousine liberal set, but pretty pathetic nonetheless.
If I need to ride the bus, which does me more good, a guy who rides a limo and wants to spend more money on buses, or a rich guy who parks his limo, rides the bus, and DOESNT want to spend more money on buses.
Im interested in results more than personal sacrifices."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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By the way, are utilities now allowed to make public your energy usage patterns?
I would think all you libertarian types might have some concern about that? Evidently people are more bothered by somebody listening in to terrorists phone calls than they are to invasions of privacy like this."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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Well, that's obvious. I was trying to figure out how much I hold this fact against some of his arguments. A good portion of his arguments are just plain stupid, and need no further discrediting.Originally posted by Cort Haus
I think it makes him a hypocritical f*cktard.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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This is going to be very fun to watch all of these unbearable folks scramble to release the figures for how much they use and the receipts for the offsets that they purchased.Originally posted by lord of the mark
By the way, are utilities now allowed to make public your energy usage patterns?I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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ABC news:
"Scoffed a former Gore adviser in response: "I think what you're seeing here is the last gasp of the global warming skeptics. They've completely lost the debate on the issue so now they're just attacking their most effective opponent."
Kalee Kreider, a spokesperson for the Gores, did not dispute the Center's figures, taken as they were from public records. But she pointed out that both Al and Tipper Gore work out of their home and she argued that "the bottom line is that every family has a different carbon footprint. And what Vice President Gore has asked is for families to calculate that footprint and take steps to reduce and offset it."
A carbon footprint is a calculation of the CO2 fossil fuel emissions each person is responsible for, either directly because of his or her transportation and energy consumption or indirectly because of the manufacture and eventual breakdown of products he or she uses. (You can calculate your own carbon footprint on the website http://www.carbonfootprint.com/)
The vice president has done that, Kreider argues, and the family tries to offset that carbon footprint by purchasing their power through the local Green Power Switch program — electricity generated through renewable resources such as solar, wind, and methane gas, which create less waste and pollution. "In addition, they are in the midst of installing solar panels on their home, which will enable them to use less power," Kreider added. "They also use compact fluorescent bulbs and other energy efficiency measures and then they purchase offsets for their carbon emissions to bring their carbon footprint down to zero."""A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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just as much fun as the lefties have looking for chickenhawks, and just as irrelevant to the policy questions.Originally posted by DanS
This is going to be very fun to watch all of these unbearable folks scramble to release the figures for how much they use and the receipts for the offsets that they purchased."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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Originally posted by Arrian
You would think that he'd have invested in solar panels or somesuch alternative energy source.
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"In addition, they are in the midst of installing solar panels on their home, which will enable them to use less power," Kreider added. ""A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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Policy means jack to most people outside the Washington area. You've been living in the Washington area too long.Originally posted by lord of the mark
just as much fun as the lefties have looking for chickenhawks, and just as irrelevant to the policy questions.
Besides, this is just a self-image issue within the limousine liberal set. Why should I give a fvck?I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Moral grandstanders like Gore deserve it, in my book. They are ultimately promoting measures which, under some interpretations, may drive down living standards for those least able to afford it, while possibly denying decent living standards to those who have never had them (preventing industrial development in the 3rd world). This is not about a specific measure like Carbon Tax, Gore is preaching a wider message than that.
Besides, Champagne Socialists, or perhaps Limousine Liberals if they are the same breed, can afford to tighten their belts more than most people.
It's quite simple. When one of the most extravagent consumers of energy on the planet starts delivering sermons about energy waste, he is a hypocrite. It reminds me of the "Back to basics" moral campaign by the Tory government, where sermons about personal morality were delivered by ministers who were subsequently exposed in their affairs and sleaze. The moral content of the message is not the point - the hypocrisy is.Comment
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Your condescension is striking.Originally posted by DanS
Policy means jack to most people outside the Washington area. You've been living in the Washington area too long.
They dont use the term "policy" outside the beltway so much, but they still are more concerned with results when things look dire than they are with pols personal lives. The millions of folks who voted for Clinton knowing his family was screwed up, cause they hoped his economic policies would help THEIR family lives. Focus on pols personal foibles is a luxury of fat times. I think most folks are more worried about their kids futures than they are about how Gore heats his home."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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Oh puleeze. Get real. Outside Washington, people look at what you do, not your armory of 3-point policy plans.Originally posted by lord of the mark
Your condescension is striking.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Originally posted by Cort Haus
Moral grandstanders like Gore deserve it, in my book. They are ultimately promoting measures which, under some interpretations, may drive down living standards for those least able to afford it, while possibly denying decent living standards to those who have never had them (preventing industrial development in the 3rd world). This is not about a specific measure like Carbon Tax, Gore is preaching a wider message than that.
Besides, Champagne Socialists, or perhaps Limousine Liberals if they are the same breed, can afford to tighten their belts more than most people.
1. Is it a wider message? I havent seen the movie, and AFAICT its about saying that global warming is a huge problem, and we need to act fast to stop it.
2. If Human caused Global Warming is real, as Al Gore believes, and as even the current US admin is grudgingly admitting, then the life styles of millions of poor people will likely be driven down by the economic costs of the warming. I dont think he has proposed a policy solution that would mean no further economic growth in the less developed world
3. If the rich can afford to tighten their belts more, the best way to reflect that is with progressive taxation, which Gore supports. Why should wealthy liberals sacrifice, while wealthy conservatives free ride?"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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They look at what you do FOR THEM - what you vote for, what you change. Working people supported FDR because of his policies, not because of any personal charity he did or didnt give.Originally posted by DanS
Oh puleeze. Get real. Outside Washington, people look at what you do, not your armory of 3-point policy plans.
BTW, Ive lived most of my life outside Washington.
My Jewish relatives in NY are typically more concerned with pols views on Israel than with whether he belongs to a church that says all Jews will go to hell, for example."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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Back in civil war times one could pay to get out of the draft.Originally posted by lord of the mark
If he's willing to pay a carbon tax on his usage, I dont see that he's a hypocrite.
Pissed people off back then too.
All that being said I could care less about Gore's personal energy bill."Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy CarterComment
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