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  • #46
    The average american house is 2,349 square feet

    I can't find his specific house's square footage, but if it's as ostentatious as you make it out to be, then I'll use Bill Gates' house as a proxy (Bill Gates's new mansion comprises 20,000 square feet of living space). So, with ten times the area, he spends... about the right amount for his living space...

    Good argument there!
    I never know their names, But i smile just the same
    New faces...Strange places,
    Most everything i see, Becomes a blur to me
    -Grandaddy, "The Final Push to the Sum"

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    • #47
      We should all have houses the size of Al Gore's.
      I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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      • #48
        Hell yeah we should. I know I'm going to own the best house I can afford. Better than getting a car that'll just lose money.
        I never know their names, But i smile just the same
        New faces...Strange places,
        Most everything i see, Becomes a blur to me
        -Grandaddy, "The Final Push to the Sum"

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        • #49
          Originally posted by lord of the mark



          "In addition, they are in the midst of installing solar panels on their home, which will enable them to use less power," Kreider added. "


          I pay more to get "renewable" energy or whatever. It sounds like Gore does that too.

          But come on, this totally has the ZING! factor. He lives in a massive estate and goes through 20x the power the average American does. And he's JUST NOW getting solar panels?

          -Arrian
          grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

          The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Cort Haus


            Do you mean Kalee Kreider's demand that we should all step down one rung? I wish I had the old cartoon of the rich at at the top of the ladder saying that, while the people at the bottom had nowhere to go.

            Gore can afford to use as much energy as he likes, spending vast sums on solar panels, windmills and giant hamster wheels to reduce his 'footprint', pay as much tax has his calculator suggests and still live in luxury.
            So youre admitting this isnt about hypocrisy at all.

            Look, if you use a resource, youve got to pay for it. Gore can afford to pay for all the food he needs, and some poor folks in the third world cannot. Does that mean food should be free?

            The absorptive capacity of the atmosphere to take in GHG without catastrophic warming is either limited or not. If GHG impose no costs, than its stupid to limit them in any way, and that would be true whether Gore had a big house or not. If they ARE costly, then it makes sense to charge for their costs.

            Do you dislike the distribution of wealth? Fine, then support redistributionist policies. Using pseudopopulism to attack a policy you dont like, when youre not really concerned with the distribution of wealth would be a diversion at best.
            Last edited by lord of the mark; February 27, 2007, 12:58.
            "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Kuciwalker


              Yes there is. It's in direct response to his potential '08 run.
              really? For other reasons im not wild about him running in '08. If think it should be possible to seperate his views on climate change from that.
              "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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              • #52
                Originally posted by DanS
                LOTM: Let's put it this way. The American people would be a hell of a lot more interested in a cheap and good looking solar roof shingle than the policy pronouncements of Al Gore.
                IOW you couldnt find anything you could quote of mine that was "BS"

                Thank you.
                "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Cort Haus

                  There are plans afoot which might make it almost impossible to use a car to get to work in Britain, while public transport is useless.
                  considering that in the US you could impose a very considerable carbon tax and still, IIUC, leave us with gas prices well below those current in Britain, Id suggest thats a problem you have with your pols on that side of the pond, and cannot in any way be attributed to Mr Gore.
                  "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Arrian




                    I pay more to get "renewable" energy or whatever. It sounds like Gore does that too.

                    But come on, this totally has the ZING! factor. He lives in a massive estate and goes through 20x the power the average American does. And he's JUST NOW getting solar panels?

                    -Arrian

                    Some folks take their time on home improvements. Whatever. But hes been doing the renewable energy thing anyway, so his solar panels would just mean hed be buying less green power. Is that really a zing?

                    And so he has a big house. WTF? Hes an old DLC guy, hes never claimed to be a socialist or nuthin. Its really amsuing seeing folks like DanS and Cort Haus suddenly sounding all commie. When did they stop believing that limited resources should be allocated by prices, because that favors teh EEVIL Rich folks?
                    "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by lord of the mark
                      IOW you couldnt find anything you could quote of mine that was "BS"

                      Thank you.
                      Quote me correctly, at least. I said "ivory tower bull****." Like the following...

                      I havent seen his film, but I assume that as a matter of public policy he supports a carbon tax, or some similar market solution. As long as hes willing and eager for that tax to apply to himself, I dont find him hypocritical. Same for a rich man who supports progressive taxation, but doesnt give a lot of charity. You can want a policy solution that forces all to contribute, and not want to make a voluntary personal sacrifice on your own that others may not follow.
                      I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                      • #56
                        DanS = and what part of that is Ivory tower Bull****?

                        (note I admit full well if i was writing it for main street id modify the language and use the word policy less. But I think it was a fair, non-BS expression of my own opinion.
                        "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                        • #57
                          This part...

                          You can want a policy solution that forces all to contribute, and not want to make a voluntary personal sacrifice on your own that others may not follow.
                          It's detached from every-day reality in this case. If Warren Buffett and Bill Gates weren't giving away their fortunes, why should we give their words regarding estate taxes any weight? For another, while I think Ted Turner is crazy, his gift to the United Nations showed that he stood behind his words that the institution should be adequately funded.
                          Last edited by DanS; February 27, 2007, 13:15.
                          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                          • #58
                            The Tennessee Center for Policy Research, an independent, nonprofit and nonpartisan research organization, issued a press release late Monday:
                            This smear smells of Karl Rove. It's like when he had the Swift Boat liars crawl out of the sewers to smear Kerry. Rove's motto: "When you're on the bad end of an issue [again], throw mud!"

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by DanS
                              This part...



                              It's detached from every-day reality in this case. If Warren Buffett and Bill Gates weren't giving away their fortunes, why should we give their words regarding estate taxes any weight?
                              I DONT give their words regarding estate taxes any particular weight, beyond any substantive arguments contained in them.
                              "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                              • #60
                                When they back up their words with actions, that's very powerful support.
                                I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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