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  • #46
    Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
    Don't cattle ranchers get subsidies?


    I don't know. Given that we were talking about farm subsidies, however, I don't think it matters at the moment.
    Oh dear, do you want to go through the ordeal of debating what exactly a "farm" constitutes? Maybe argue as well what the "West" entails? I may be so unkind to consider the Dokatos as the "West" you know. I'm the type that relishes semantical warfare. Consider yourself a warned man.
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    • #47
      I may be so unkind to consider the Dokatos as the "West"


      What are the Dokatos?
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      • #48
        You lose.

        Thank you, come again.
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        • #49
          must be all the pig blood from 1980 in norco

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
            Nevada: 439 or 15% of all farms receiving gov't subsidies.
            Utah: 2,987 or 20% of all farms receiving gov't subsidies.
            Colorado: 10,163 or 32% of all farms receiving gov't subsidies.


            Nevada has less than 3000 farms in the entire state?

            I rest my case. Hard to imagine these states are raking in the money from farm subsidies when they don't have any farms...
            # of farms isn't a very instructive figure. Acreage, perhaps? I mean, you could have big, "industrial" farms that would skew the number down, or tons of little farms skewing it up.

            Or how about the total $$ amount paid out in agricultural subsidies per state? That seems to be the best measure... if we really care...

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            • #51
              They're not subsidies, they're disaster relief! For all the disasters! Like that day when it was kinda cloudy and even some lightning!

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              • #52
                That seems to be the best measure... if we really care...


                I don't, but feel free to knock yourself out. Let me know if you find that mountain/desert states like Utah/Nevada have more farm acreage and get more farm subsidies than eastern farm states like Indiana and Iowa. Me, I'm just going to assume that's the case...

                edit: This should help you in your quest...



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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Kuciwalker
                  They're not subsidies, they're disaster relief! For all the disasters! Like that day when it was kinda cloudy and even some lightning!
                  Yeah, I remember that was huge in the 90's. The Congress would pass a "distater relief" package for farmers when the only disaster was that farmers told their Congressman they wouldn't vote for them unless Congress gave them cash.
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
                    That seems to be the best measure... if we really care...


                    I don't, but feel free to knock yourself out. Let me know if you find that mountain/desert states like Utah/Nevada have more farm acreage and get more farm subsidies than eastern farm states like Indiana and Iowa. Me, I'm just going to assume that's the case...

                    edit: This should help you in your quest...



                    http://www.heritage.org/research/agriculture/BG1514.cfm
                    wouldnt we expect this to be trend though?
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                    • #55
                      Drake is ignoring that the midwest states also have a diversified economy. Indiana, for all of its farms and agricultural output, still has lots of urban areas to dilute the farm vote.

                      Other then the ranchers, miners, and odd farmer several huge sections of the west don't have jack cheese. Look at the Congressional district maps and you can figure out which places those are because you find giant areas all covered by one district.

                      In those areas virtually everyone works in some sector related to agriculture or some sort of extractive industry (mining, logging, etc) so these people are very aware of politicians who offer them subsidies or discounted rates to use federal land. One of the big deals for many of these Republican Congressmen has been to open up federal lands to private users for literally pennies on the dollar to graze cattle, build mines, log, etc... That's far below market rate and it is a defacto subsidy.

                      Not surprising those people vote for the politician which offers them the most cash and discounted prices.
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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
                        That seems to be the best measure... if we really care...


                        I don't, but feel free to knock yourself out. Let me know if you find that mountain/desert states like Utah/Nevada have more farm acreage and get more farm subsidies than eastern farm states like Indiana and Iowa. Me, I'm just going to assume that's the case...

                        edit: This should help you in your quest...



                        http://www.heritage.org/research/agriculture/BG1514.cfm
                        That trend line is complete bull****. Not only is there no good fit to that data set, one of the axes has no quantitative information!

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                        • #57
                          Who cares about the trend line? I just posted it for the information on acreage under cultivation and the subsidies per acre in dollars.
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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
                            That's not a "trend line."

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                            • #59
                              the thing that you have to look at though is total dollar value. we should expect that the higher the acerage and thus output the less the need for subsidy.

                              but an average of 250 dollars over a million acres is more than 300 dollars over 3k acres
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                              • #60
                                We should check what types of produce receive most subsidies proportionally to the dollar-value thereof.
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