The NEW Red vs. Blue US map.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

Which doesn't quite stop them from accepting farm subsidies, I presume?

How many Western states do you think get large amounts of farm subsidies? It's not like Colorado, Utah or Nevada are chock full of corn fields...

Those states have huge cattle industries. Don't cattle ranchers get subsidies?

[MRT144]

i realize that now

[Drake Tungsten]

Don't cattle ranchers get subsidies?

I don't know. Given that we were talking about farm subsidies, however, I don't think it matters at the moment.

Those states have huge cattle industries.

Whatever, dude. Nebraska and Texas pwn everyone else when it comes to cattle industries...

edit: Hardly an unbiased source, but...

U.S. cattle producers continue to urge international trade negotiators to break down barriers to U.S. beef and create increased global market access opportunities through tariff reduction...

Increased market access through tariff reduction is the core mechanism by which U.S. cattle producers can thrive in the global marketplace. For our industry, this ultimately depends on the percentage of tariff reductions in the agreement, since U.S. beef producers receive no domestic supports or export subsidies.

http://www.beefusa.org/goveWTO.aspx

[RGBVideo]

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/states/WY/H/01/index.html

She's corrupt as **** (openly kept the money DeLay laundered to her), caught from unbelievably ignorant and racist comments repeatedly on house floor ("I know who Victoria's secret is. She is a slut" when she's supposed to speak about US energy policy ), obviously incompetent for her job and they still re-elect her with 970 votes? Blindly voting with the party line

[Arrian]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:2004_US_elections_purple_counties.png

I always liked this map better... I'd like to see an update, but I imagine it would look very similar.

-Arrian

[MRT144]

all forms industry accept subsidies and insist on them. the question of who you vote for really comes down to the party that represents more of your ideals in proportional importance than it doesnt. so urban voters would vote for a party that reflects urban ideals and promotion, and vice versa.

as for farm subsidies, the only thing hypocritical about them is that the people who are generally in favor of them are also against government regulation of how to live
their lifes. but farm subsidies are totally a way of allowing an outdated and uneconomic lifestyle to exsist.

[Kuciwalker]

U.S. beef producers receive no domestic supports or export subsidies.

Yeah, they just get "disaster relief" for the Space Shuttle Columbia burning up over them.

[Drake Tungsten]

I think that's more general Texas corruption than beef industry hypocrisy...

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Oerdin


Those states have huge cattle industries. Don't cattle ranchers get subsidies?

California produces more cattle than any of the states mentioned.

ACK!

[Colon™]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

Which doesn't quite stop them from accepting farm subsidies, I presume?

How many Western states do you think get large amounts of farm subsidies? It's not like Colorado, Utah or Nevada are chock full of corn fields...

http://www.ewg.org/farm/farms_by_state.php

Nevada: 439 or 15% of all farms receiving gov't subsidies.
Utah: 2,987 or 20% of all farms receiving gov't subsidies.
Colorado: 10,163 or 32% of all farms receiving gov't subsidies.

[Kuciwalker]

No, that was just an example. The WaPo had a piece a while back demonstrating how the disaster-relief fund for cattle ranchers ended up just being handouts to the entire industry.

[MRT144]

Originally posted by Tuberski


California produces more cattle than any of the states mentioned.

ACK!

i dont doubt this for a second. coalinga smells to high heaven the likes of which i have never experienced

[Dinner]

I don't like farm subsidies because:

1) They ruin the lives of massive numbers of third world farmers due to unfair competition.

2) They allow corrupt politicians to buy votes. (I.E. vote for me and I'll get you more money not to farm)

3) The make tax payers pay twice for food (once when they buy it and once when they pay their taxes though it is likely a wash since consumers pay less for food).

4) It really is an aboration of our free trade position. It's hard for us to push the Chinese to open their markets to our goods when we're busy being hippocrits and subsidizing our own.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by MRT144

i dont doubt this for a second. coalinga smells to high heaven the likes of which i have never experienced

Norco stinks too. That place is one big feed lot for cattle which get chopped up by illegal Mexican workers and then sold across the world.

[Drake Tungsten]

Nevada: 439 or 15% of all farms receiving gov't subsidies.
Utah: 2,987 or 20% of all farms receiving gov't subsidies.
Colorado: 10,163 or 32% of all farms receiving gov't subsidies.

Nevada has less than 3000 farms in the entire state?

I rest my case. Hard to imagine these states are raking in the money from farm subsidies when they don't have any farms...