Damn anti smoking fanatics! Bars can't serve food and allow smoking? WTF!

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Asher

You're honestly not going to put smoking in a restaurant in the same league as gay marriage, are you.

Get over yourself. Walk a few feet and smoke up...no one's stopping you.

Yes, I am.

Neither smoking nor sexual preference have ever been mentioned in any Universal Declaration of Human Rights that I am familiar with.

You?

Oh, sorry, there's that empathy thing again.

[DRoseDARs]

Originally posted by Tuberski


Yeah, I misunderstood. Sorry.



ACK!

I think you should go practice you love on your wife now. I think she could really use the stress relief right about now...



...that, or a smoke.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
I have nothing more to add to what Mrs. T said.

Why should I care who Asher chooses to sleep with. He obviously wants us to know because he keeps making this a gay issue.

LOL!

The people bringing up the gay issue are the pro-smoker side, not me. I'm just defending myself.

[Mrs. Tuberski]

u got to be kiddingme am i led to belive that we are all to decide the laws here? MIght i add and ask who the hell puts the freaks that pass these laws into effect into office, but wait it gets better who votes and who doesnt????? u guys are at fault for electing these idiots not me.

[DRoseDARs]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


I have nothing more to add to what Mrs. T said.

Why should I care who Asher chooses to sleep with. He obviously wants us to know because he keeps making this a gay issue.

But you do care when he decides he wants to MARRY the one he sleeps with. That's the point, but nice attempt at a dodge.

[Asher]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Yes, I am.

Neither smoking nor sexual preference have ever been mentioned in any Universal Declaration of Human Rights that I am familiar with.

Unfortunately for you, the Supreme Court (which has a far better interpretation than you are ever going to be capable of), disagrees.

End of discussion...

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Flip McWho
Because we allow that 18 year olds can make their own decisions. This issue isn't about the harm to the individual who smokes, it's about the harm the smoker causes to people who have exercised their choice to not smoke.

Nice dodge.

You are familiar with statistics, right?

You do know that a million people turning a certain age will result in a certain number engaging in any given behaviour, right?

Why do you assume that heroin and tobacco would lead to different results for the addict?

The difference is, of course, that one is illegal and suppressed, while the other is in the face of any shopper on any given day.

And we wonder why young people take up tobacco. It's ****ing baffling, I tell you.

[DRoseDARs]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

You're honestly not going to put smoking in a restaurant in the same league as gay marriage, are you.

I agree that this would be silly. Smoking in restaurants is a right that has been enjoyed by the public for as long as their has been both restaurants and things to smoke. It's certainly a much more serious blow to civil liberties to take away this long-standing right than it is to refuse to create a wholely new one like a right to gay marriage. Good point, Asher.

This is a joke right? A person's right to poison themselves and others is "a much more serious blow to civil liberties" than people trying to get equal rights? You do know that homosexual marriage has been around as long as there has been marriage, right? That marriage was NOT created by a Western God or by the West in general and then dispersed to the rest of the world? That homosexual marriage is present and has been present in places for many, many centuries?

[Mrs. Tuberski]

D rose i could give a **** less waht BK wnts to whine about realy asher has been the one whining bout smoking again and that it poisons everyone. he then goes and says dot it outside and wants to cry cause its still around him. Im sorry i cant fall over and let this be the world asher owns cause he wnats to ***** about smoking and then cry foul

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Asher

Unfortunately for you, the Supreme Court (which has a far better interpretation than you are ever going to be capable of), disagrees.

End of discussion...

Not yet, dude. It has not been argued all the way why a club of smokers with no employees can't smoke.

But rest assured, you zealots will provoke it.

[DRoseDARs]

Originally posted by Asher

LOL!

The people bringing up the gay issue are the pro-smoker side, not me. I'm just defending myself.

I didn't read earlier pages except near the beginning, but unless it came up earlier I believe it was me and only as a means of pointing out BK's glaring hypocrisy.

[Flip McWho]

Instead of banning smoking outright, give smoke free bars a tax break. But, at the same time, Give smoking only bars the same break.

And that isn't the status quo how?

Why should I care who Asher chooses to sleep with. He obviously wants us to know becuase he keeps making this a gay issue.

For your information it was your side that made this a gay issue because you guys (ming specifically) was first to compare smoking in a bar or club to being gay. Ashers only fault is being stupid enough to keep replying to this obviously inane argument.

Re: The civil liberties thing.

How is a lifestyle choice, smoking, a civil liberty? Is it inherent to a humans identity, like being gay, male/female, black etc.

You do know that a million people turning a certain age will result in a certain number engaging in any given behaviour, right?

And what. Those individuals are still effecting a choice. Just because it adds up doesn't mean anything.

The statistics are going down over the course of years too, which represents people exercising their choice in a different trend. Statistics only reflect trends, they don't fate people to a given set of actions.

Why do you assume that heroin and tobacco would lead to different results for the addict?

The effects on both the body/mind are different for herion and tobacco, herion is significantly worse and hence illegal. Tobacco meets some arbitrary standard (namely a significant chunk of the population do smoke and it's historical been legal always) and is hence not illegal.

[DRoseDARs]

Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski
D rose i could give a **** less waht BK wnts to whine about realy asher has been the one whining bout smoking again and that it poisons everyone. he then goes and says dot it outside and wants to cry cause its still around him. Im sorry i cant fall over and let this be the world asher owns cause he wnats to ***** about smoking and then cry foul

BK isn't the whiner here, you are as a smoker. BK doesn't smoke, but he did let his hypocrisy show and I had to smack it down.

[Ben Kenobi]

The people bringing up the gay issue are the pro-smoker side, not me. I'm just defending myself.

I've never attacked you there. Why don't you drop the poor gay routine about how gay people are hard done by and get back to the meat and potatoes of the thread?

[Drake Tungsten]

A person's right to poison themselves and others is "a much more serious blow to civil liberties" than people trying to get equal rights?

Yes. The difference between the two is quite clear if you look at the issue logically and without all the emotional baggage you seem to bring to the issue...