Damn anti smoking fanatics! Bars can't serve food and allow smoking? WTF!

[Flip McWho]

The difference is, of course, that one is illegal and suppressed, while the other is in the face of any shopper on any given day.

And we wonder why young people take up tobacco. It's ****ing baffling, I tell you.

It's hardly baffling but I don't see what this has to do with regulating a smoker lighting up in a public place.

[Flip McWho]

Yes. The difference between the two is quite clear if you look at the issue logically and without all the emotional baggage you seem to bring to the issue...

By which you mean, smoking has been something that traditionally people have enjoyed the right to do and therefore should keep enjoying that right unless some standard of excellent reason is provided against.

Whilst gay marriage is traditionally not been enjoyed and thus should fight tooth and nail to be recognised.

[Ben Kenobi]

I didn't read earlier pages except near the beginning, but unless it came up earlier I believe it was me and only as a means of pointing out BK's glaring hypocrisy.

The issue of this thread happens to be smoking.

Now if you want to discuss gay marriage take it to another thread.

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Flip McWho
And that isn't the status quo how?

Because, most bar owners would take options a or b.

Option c (status quo), wouldn't be an attractive option would it?

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[Mrs. Tuberski]

Im not whining i could care less if non smopkers ***** or not. I choose to not smoke where there ar non smokers those of you who disagree with people smoking where its allowed are the whiners and and then now its a debate over gay marraige when who really cares?? if BK cares then thats his business he is not only not a smoker, but as far as i know not gay either,. Either take that up with him or let it go and leave him out of anything u need to say to me cause it makes no difference

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Flip McWho
How is a lifestyle choice, smoking, a civil liberty? Is it inherent to a humans identity, like being gay, male/female, black etc.

Being gay is not universally recognised as being a part of human identity, or of being a human right.

Asher knows this.

Asher is still totally at ease with trampping all over other people who belong to today's marginal society.

That makes him the worst sort of hypocrite, in my book. Ban me if you will, but I'm calling a spade a spade.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Flip McWho


It's hardly baffling but I don't see what this has to do with regulating a smoker lighting up in a public place.

It has everything to do with either just banning the substance, which is unlikely to happen since governments profit off it handsomely, and allowing further harassment of the current tax payers.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Flip McWho
The effects on both the body/mind are different for herion and tobacco, herion is significantly worse and hence illegal. Tobacco meets some arbitrary standard (namely a significant chunk of the population do smoke and it's historical been legal always) and is hence not illegal.

At one point in time it was legal for children to work in mines.

Either sh!t, it is lethal and ban it, or get off the pot and get off the backs of smokers.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Flip McWho


It's hardly baffling but I don't see what this has to do with regulating a smoker lighting up in a public place.

So long as it is a legal substance, why are there bans on using the substance? Hmmm?

[Flip McWho]

Because, most bar owners would take options a or b.

Option a being allow smokers and pay a tax, and option B being not allowing smokers and paying the same tax, whilst option c is both places not paying any taxes?

Being gay is not universally recognised as being a part of human identity, or of being a human right.

But it's being increasingly recognised as such. Whereas everybody realises that smoking is a lifestyle choice. And this smoking ban in bars and clubs isn't universal, it's a state by state thing.

Theres good (and imho convincing) arguments that being gay is inherent to an individual. There are no such arguments for being a smoker.

It has everything to do with either just banning the substance

What part of banning the substance in a public place is not equivalent to banning the substance. Nobody has advocated that. For the record, I think marijuana should be legalised, but I still don't think I have the right, if it is legalised, to light up and puff away on a joint in the middle of a bar, I don't mind walking outside to enjoy something that the bar doesn't specifically cater for.

Either sh!t, it is lethal and ban it

You're argument is seriously flawed. This topic isn't black or white, nobody but you and your side wishes to make it so. Nobody wants to remove your choice to smoke, we just wanna make sure your choice is exercised safely. Just like nobody wants to remove the choice of a person to drive, but we do wanna make sure it is exercised responsibly.

So long as it is a legal substance, why are there bans on using the substance?

Theres a regulation on using the substance, not a ban. You can still use it, just not in a particular place. When the government starts advocating banning smoking totally, I'll be on your side.

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Flip McWho

Option a being allow smokers and pay a tax, and option B being not allowing smokers and paying the same tax, whilst option c is both places not paying any taxes?

Now you aren't reading correctly let me repost and highlight:

Originally posted by Tuberski


Instead of banning smoking outright, give smoke free bars a tax break. But, at the same time, Give smoking only bars the same break.

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They already pay taxes.

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[Flip McWho]

Ok, sorry if I misread.

So
Option A) Smoke free bars get a tax break.
Option B) Smoking only bars get the same tax break
Option C) (the status quo) Both places pay the same amount of tax.

Is that right?

[Tuberski]

Yes.

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[Flip McWho]

Haha, well that makes just as much sense as the other way really.

[Flip McWho]

Anyways, thanks guys for an entertaining discussion but it's already distracted me way past the time I was supposed to leave to head to the gfs so I must leave.