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Originally posted by Elok
Yeah, JM pretty much hit it on the head. Not all of us believe that all unbelievers are headed straight to Hell anyway. And if you're suggesting that the multiplicity of opinions on a subject implies that the study of said subject is irrelevant...that just doesn't follow. "There are thousands of different theories as to how birds fly. They all contradict or disagree with each other. Therefore, birds do not fly."
I'm on the religion = bad side of this argument, but I am very happy to see a nice piece of logic like this thrown into the thread. Excellent point.
PH: You might want to pay close attention to what you say. "All religion is brainwashing," yeah. And ve vant to suck your blood, too. I don't despise all atheists, but it's hard to respect the ones who have to depict folks like me as two-dimensional cartoon caricatures of evil.
What is science? It is knowledge by what you percieve through experience. But if you close your eyes, and don't reach out your hand to take, touch, taste, then how will you know?
Knowing God is the same. But God is not percieved with material eyes, nor touched with material hands because he is not material; though His Son took on a form of matter once for our sakes.
hey yeah man my birthday is on Halloween and one time my mom got this like plastic bag and put some bouncy balls in it and turned off all the lights and made us close our eyes and we touched the bouncy balls and we thought they were actually eyeballs and it was scary oh man!
Originally posted by Sarxis
But God is not percieved with material eyes, nor touched with material hands because he is not material; though His Son took on a form of matter once for our sakes.
Knowing god is like knowing a story. You cant touch, see or feel god because he is FICTIONNAL. An invention!!!
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He said outrageous things like, "Unless you eat my flesh, and drink my blood, there is no life in you." Religion goes and tries to make flesh-eating and blood-drinking doctrine, and liturgy, and ceremony.
No wonder. The whole Lord's Supper doesn't make much sense if it isn't the body and blood of our Lord.
It's like you call it the Lord's supper as if he was the host.
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PH: You might want to pay close attention to what you say. "All religion is brainwashing," yeah. And ve vant to suck your blood, too. I don't despise all atheists, but it's hard to respect the ones who have to depict folks like me as two-dimensional cartoon caricatures of evil.
I think your beliefs are silly, but exposing a young child to this stuff from an early age is brainwashing...
I don't consider you to be evil. Just naive, that is all...
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Originally posted by Elok
Yeah, JM pretty much hit it on the head. Not all of us believe that all unbelievers are headed straight to Hell anyway. And if you're suggesting that the multiplicity of opinions on a subject implies that the study of said subject is irrelevant...that just doesn't follow.
Actually all it proves is that no one knows what the **** to 'believe' in the first place...
It also proves that God/the Gods/little green men from Mars don't exist to guide their followers and make sure they know what they're following.
All it shows is the arrogance of mankind to basically say: "This is how WE are going to worship god". Multiply that over the literally thousands of different cults and splinter groups within each and every major religion and you quickly find that it is not the teaching of your 'god' you are following, but whomever decided to cook up whatever rules he decided he wanted...
Take Protestantism for example. That only exists because Martin Luther was (quite rightly) pissed off at the rampant corruption of the pope and the catholic church...
The real question is, does God have any say in how his religion is run? The answer is no - all religion is made up from whichever charismatic spiritualist of the time said goes...
Take David Koresh, apparently you are now giving his Branch-Dravidian cult credibility, when we all know they were a bunch of loons.
Also you haven't addressed quite clearly massive differences in beliefs, such as Monotheism vs Polytheism.
Or are you agreeing that not only did the God of Christianity/Islam/Judaism create the world, but so to did the Hindu Gods for example...
Except the problem is that we only have one planet...
The entire thing is just a massive con-job to explain the 'unknown' by smarter people who realised they could control their sheep-like peers.
"There are thousands of different theories as to how birds fly. They all contradict or disagree with each other. Therefore, birds do not fly."
No. One theory is correct, and the others are false. Just like how most religious people feel about their religion vis a vis the others.
Originally posted by Provost Harrison
I think your beliefs are silly, but exposing a young child to this stuff from an early age is brainwashing...
I don't consider you to be evil. Just naive, that is all...
Naive indeed. Do you honestly think I haven't encountered every objection made in this thread dozens of times before?
And "brainwashing" is a rather strong term, implying deliberate breaking of the will with malevolent intent. Raising a child religious is just introducing said child to the basics of a faith, then moving on to the more complex stuff as the child grows up and is able to handle it. No different from teaching any other subject, like reading or math, except for the nature of the subject. No sleep deprivation, no hypnosis, no humiliation and intimidation. At least, there were no such things in my Sunday School. Or are you claiming that the exact nature of the information taught automatically renders the teaching "brainwashing," regardless of the methods of instruction?
MOBIUS: Okay, I've scanned your reply; it doesn't seem to have any arguments in it, strictly speaking. Lots of insinuations, assertions, and ranting, but no arguments. You come sort of close to making an argument towards the end, but I'm not sure what exactly you're asking for. Apparently you think I'm claiming that all religions are true, or something? I make no such claim. Try again, please.
I've not said anything about deliberate breaking of will, simple exposure to a one-sided idea from an early age is sufficient. Kids should be taught the basics, and religion should be left to an age where they can logically rationalise it compared to all the other arguments. I wonder how well religion would do in that climate? You are simply interpreting things into my post that simple are not there...
Speaking of Erith:
"It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith
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