Rate the G8 in order of importance

[Serb]

Originally posted by DinoDoc

Consequently, the population growth rate in Russia has become negative, life expectancy appears to be decreasing, and the population has been aging rapidly. The evidence now available on these changes has led a number of observers to call the present situation a "demographic crisis." The public and the government are concerned about the detrimental effects that demographic trends may have on economic reform and development--for example, how a shrinking working-age population will support a growing number of elderly and the demands that the latter will make on the social safety net.

http://www.rand.org/pubs/conf_proceedings/CF124/CF124.intro.html

The end is near!!!

http://www.stewartsynopsis.com/death_by_blackness_files/Deathofthewest.htm

http://www.nationalreview.com/commen...tter071002.asp

Oh my, what a nice piece of stinking bullsh!t.

[Lonestar]

Pity your country's only non-military hardware export is sex slaves.

[DinoDoc]

My what a well thought out reply, Serb! It may take sometime for the board to absorb the depth of research and intellect you put into such a cogent rebuttal.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Lonestar


Tis true. When was the last time your carrier left the Barents Sea? 2000? 1999?

Hell, if I know. It's not my job to keep an eye on Russian ships.

Hell, you couldn't even do anything about our bombing of Kosovo. All you did was send one frigate and scream curse words at us.

You think WW3 would have been a better choice?

[Lonestar]

I think you could have at least sent your carrier out to rattle a sword for your "ally".

[Serb]

We weren't allies, unfortunatelly.

[Serb]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
My what a well thought out reply, Serb! It may take sometime for the board to absorb the depth of research and intellect you put into such a cogent rebuttal.

Sorry, but I can't seriously comment such pearls as "Beginning in late 1999, Putin created a virtual presidential dictatorship".
The article is stinking Guebelss propaganda.

[DinoDoc]

Yet more flashes of Russian briliance. Will wonders never cease?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Thorgal
Why Italy after Canada? Italy is much stronger economically and militarly and has more population.

No, it's not much stronger economically. Italy is actually weaker than Canada economically.

Italy does have more people, true, but does not influence world affairs any more than Canada does, and I think we could have a debate over whether Canada has more pull.

[Saras]

Originally posted by LordShiva


Right now, and for the forseeable future, Russia can kick China's ass militarily. The world's view of China's power is hugely inflated - fact remains, they have a rickety, largely obsolete military.

I just finished playing Russia in 2006 september China advance vs Russia delay, and completely pwned them I had a platoon of T-80U's and a motor rifle company plus a battery of MLRS and two KA50 attack choppers. They sent like a friggin Mech rifle battalion plus attached armor co. plus follow up foot infantry, about two companies strength. Some 40 year old jets tried even to bomb me

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by Saras


I just finished playing Russia in 2006 september China advance vs Russia delay, and completely pwned them I had a platoon of T-80U's and a motor rifle company plus a battery of MLRS and two KA50 attack choppers. They sent like a friggin Mech rifle battalion plus attached armor co. plus follow up foot infantry, about two companies strength. Some 40 year old jets tried even to bomb me

what game is this exactly?

[Saras]

WinSPMBT 2.51. The best TBS tactical simulation of 1947-2020 warfare.

[Thorgal]

No, it's not much stronger economically. Italy is actually weaker than Canada economically.

Italy is weaker economically? On what basis?
Have i to post the world bank tables again?

GNI 2005

1 United States 12,969,561
2 Japan 4,988,209
3 Germany 2,852,337
4 China 2,263,825
5 United Kingdom 2,263,731
6 France 2,177,670 a
7 Italy 1,724,894
8 Spain 1,100,134
9 Canada 1,051,873
10 India 793,017
11 Korea, Rep. 764,684
12 Mexico 753,394
13 Australia 654,645
14 Brazil 644,133
15 Russian Federation 639,080

Total GDP 2005

1 United States 12,455,068
2 Japan 4,505,912
3 Germany 2,781,900
4 China 2,228,862
5 United Kingdom 2,192,553
6 France 2,110,185 a
7 Italy 1,723,044
8 Spain 1,123,691
9 Canada 1,115,192
10 Brazil 794,098
11 Korea, Rep. 787,624
12 India 785,468
13 Mexico 768,438
14 Russian Federation 763,720

GDP PPP 2005

1 United States 12,409,465
2 China 8,572,666 a
3 Japan 3,943,754
4 India 3,815,553 b
5 Germany 2,417,537
6 United Kingdom 1,926,809
7 France 1,829,559
8 Italy 1,667,753
9 Brazil 1,627,262
10 Russian Federation 1,559,934
11 Spain 1,133,539
12 Canada 1,061,236
13 Korea, Rep. 1,056,094
14 Mexico 1,052,443

Italian economy is about a 60% larger. And sorry, Canada influence in world affairs is zero, so i dont know as Italy influence can be less than zero. And militarly Canada is laughable.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Thorgal

Italian economy is about a 60% larger.

I'll be curious to see the most recent numbers with the impact of $70 oil. It wouldn't be anywhere near enough to catch Italy but given that Canada is just over half the Italian population, its not too bad economically. . . . and I know GDP per capita is highest in little city states etc etc-- that does not mean that its entirely useless when comparing larger democracies

Originally posted by Thorgal

And sorry, Canada influence in world affairs is zero, so i dont know as Italy influence can be less than zero.

While Canada doesn't meddle much and doesn't have influence in old colonial empires, I've always understood Canada to be a respected peacekeeper and conciliator. Canada has been in the Security Council every bit as much as Italy .

Originally posted by Thorgal

And militarly Canada is laughable.

I often bemoan our lack of military spending but it appears the current government is attempting to set things right by funding needed equipment. Our military is doing a lot of the tough slogging in Afghanistan right now and all reports are that they are doing pretty well.

Oh and a point on the military-- Canada has never been conquered. Seems they have done all right despite any perceived shortcomings

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by Flubber
Oh and a point on the military-- Canada has never been conquered. Seems they have done all right despite any perceived shortcomings

It was conquered by the British