Israeli ground forces enter southern Gaza - CNN

[Vesayen]

If Hamas is stupid enough to fire a chemical or biological weapon into an Israeli city(if they have them, I am sceptical), they can expect the gloves to come off instantly-indescrimenant violence against civilians.

Israel has way better bombs. We'll see who wins.

Israel REALLY REALLY REALLY does not want to commit genocide... but it is not going to stand by and watch serin be shot into Tel-Aviv or Jafa.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

If Israel is at war with Gaza, why is it still standing?

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a state standing or not has nothing to do with whether there is war or not. If Israel is not at war with palestine then what are its soldiers and tanks doing in Gaza? you still havnt answered that question. Did they get lost?

It still is not enforced. A law which is not enforced, is not law, in the way that it does not carry the inherant moral and legal authority that law carries.

More importantly every country has the right to self defence. This is self defence.

International law is enforced - see Gulf War 1991.

youre right every country has the right to self defence, but only until they have informed the UN and the UN has taken appropriate steps, which Israel has not done. Israel thus cannot plead self defense in this case.

Lets make it even simpler! Since your going for the "law" which does not exist... There is no state of Palestine in the united nations. How can Israel have an ILLEGAL WAR IF THERE IS NO COUNTRY OF PALESTINE WHICH IS RECOGNIZE BY THE U.N????? You can't make war on a non existant country!

how ignorant are you? the palestinians have been recognized by the UN as a people and have observer status in the UN general assembly, as I stated earlier. this means that they are a 'stateless' people who should be given a state.

There are no international obligations. Further more, blowing up a hotel and murdering the citizens of another country with a state sanction, is an act of war.

how ignorant are you? israel has recognized international obligations by signing treaties and joining the UN. furthermore, blowing up hotels and murdering the citizens of another country is NOT an automatic act of war, just as the overflight of the syrian president's house does not mean that syria can legally invade israel.

The platform of Hamas is the complete destruction if Israel.

For the second time, that is not an act of war, nor does a state of war exist if that is a belief.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

this is exactly why the situation isnt going to be resolved in the next 50 years - because we have ignorants on both sides of the issue too knee deep in it to step back and look at the issue logically. too much emotion, not enough thinking. you guys deserve every bit of pain that comes your way because none of you want to stop and think for two seconds. and stop leeching money from america, its only making the situation worse.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

now israel is really off its rocker - it went and kidnapped the the deputy prime minister of the government? how illegal is that?

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia


how ignorant are you? israel has recognized international obligations by signing treaties and joining the UN. furthermore, blowing up hotels and murdering the citizens of another country is NOT an automatic act of war, just as the overflight of the syrian president's house does not mean that syria can legally invade israel.

If international treaty obligations mean that blowing up hotels and murdering citizens isn't an act of war then international treaties have about the same value as very coarse and inky toilet paper.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
now israel is really off its rocker - it went and kidnapped the the deputy prime minister of the government? how illegal is that?

Propabably as legal as if the Yanks had got their hands on senior Taliban leaders.

I think they even did get some senior Taliban leaders.

About as legal as that.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

so pretty illegal then, seeing how the invasion of afghanistan was an illegal one.

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
so pretty illegal then, seeing how the invasion of afghanistan was an illegal one.

I guess illegal isn't necessarily bad then when it comes to international law.


Illegal by international law

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
so pretty illegal then, seeing how the invasion of afghanistan was an illegal one.

Heh.

[Proteus_MST]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
this is exactly why the situation isnt going to be resolved in the next 50 years - because we have ignorants on both sides of the issue too knee deep in it to step back and look at the issue logically. too much emotion, not enough thinking. you guys deserve every bit of pain that comes your way because none of you want to stop and think for two seconds. and stop leeching money from america, its only making the situation worse.

I agree.
On the side of Israel there´s the zionist movement which wants Erech Israel, i.e. great Israel including the westbank and Gaza strip.
On the side of palestinians there are the terrorist groups, which in most cases also want a big country, including the israel territories, but of course in palestinian hands

I have no doubt that both sides have no desire for peace, until they have what they want (and will try to influence their own people that there cannot be peace with the other side [and/or will try to provoke the other side to do things which can be used for propaganda purposes]).

There won´t be peace as long as the extremist movements on both sides still have so much political power (and for both sides to stay in power it helps the extremist movements a great deal, if the extremist movement of the other (enemy) side has as much influence as possib le, or, as you can say, the extremist movements on both sides need each other )

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia

if israel isnt at war with palestine, then what are its soldiers and tanks doing in gaza?

Reacting to raids and regular artillery fire from over the border. Regardless of what the status of that territory is, Israel has the right to defend themselves. They are under no obligation to remain under fire indefinitely because of the convenient chaos of the Palestinians.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Geronimo


If international treaty obligations mean that blowing up hotels and murdering citizens isn't an act of war then international treaties have about the same value as very coarse and inky toilet paper.

The Koran?

[Mr. President]

Precisely.

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by Sikander


The Koran?

Naughty, naughty, Sikander.

In fact that story about Koran toilet-abuse at Gitmo was a press exaggeration, IIRC (if that's what you were alluding to).

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Cort Haus


Naughty, naughty, Sikander.

In fact that story about Koran toilet-abuse at Gitmo was a press exaggeration, IIRC (if that's what you were alluding to).

Not exactly, but if a Muslim fanatic shows up at my door and I've neglected to arm myself adequately I'll use that as an out.