Israeli ground forces enter southern Gaza - CNN

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Israel should be at war with the Palestinians since the Palestinians have elected a government which says they want to destroy Israel and kill all the Jews*.

If the Palestinians are so keen on starting wars then the total weight of war should be put upon them and since the civilians cheer for terrorism then they should suffer the same unprotected status that Israeli citizens suffer under. If the Palestinians want total war then they should be given total war. Carpet bombing and posion gas. The Palestinians want to claim they're suffering genicide? Then make their wish come true.

*To show how nice the Hamas people are they claim they'll allow only those Jews whose total family history in Israel predate independence from the UK. Not that such people exist.

This is the last resort. It should be done only if an elected palestinian government engages as part of an election platform policy in a terrorist attack against israeli civilians following conclusion of a peace treaty which both sides had signed and which israel had to make concessions for.

In that case such draconian measures might be justified if only to end the conflict once and for all rather than bleeding continuously forever.

[germanos]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Carpet bombing and posion gas. The Palestinians want to claim they're suffering genicide? Then make their wish come true.

I can't beleive my eyes

[Kuciwalker]

WTF is wrong with Oerdin? He's both resident lefty loon since Ted left, and resident bigot too since the others don't post as much anymore.

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by germanos


I can't beleive my eyes

I hope it's meant to illustrate how hollow claims of 'genocide' against the palestinians really are.

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Geronimo


I hope it's meant to illustrate how hollow claims of 'genocide' against the palestinians really are.

Fixed.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
WTF is wrong with Oerdin? He's both resident lefty loon since Ted left, and resident bigot too since the others don't post as much anymore.

Maybe he's just performing a civic service. At least I hope he has.

[GePap]

Israel claims all it is doing is to get the corporal back. The sad reality is that all the militants need to make Israel fail utterly in its professed aim of its current actions is a single bullet.

I feel sorry for the fmaily of the corporal. I feel sorry of rthe tens of thousands of Palestinians suffering because of Israeli military action. The Hamas leadership and thje Israeli leadership, well, if they all die tommorrow I would not care.

As for the legality issues: I see no one ever mentions than thousands of Palestiians are held in administrative detention, ie. Jailed by Israel idefinitely without any charges or trials. But they are Palestinians, they have no rights....

[Vesayen]

if israel isnt at war with palestine, then what are its soldiers and tanks doing in gaza?

If Israel is at war with Gaza, why is it still standing?

simple - the fact that israel is a member of the UN, has signed and ratified treaties has demonstrated that they accept and are under the rule of international law. that is proof and justification.

It still is not enforced. A law which is not enforced, is not law, in the way that it does not carry the inherant moral and legal authority that law carries.

More importantly every country has the right to self defence. This is self defence.

not to mention all the international lawyers out there, the International Court of Justice (ICJ.) what more proof do you want that international law exists?

To use my other example, Imams(Muslim priests) exist. That does not proove the existance of Alah, or the legitimacy of Islam.



Lets make it even simpler! Since your going for the "law" which does not exist... There is no state of Palestine in the united nations. How can Israel have an ILLEGAL WAR IF THERE IS NO COUNTRY OF PALESTINE WHICH IS RECOGNIZE BY THE U.N????? You can't make war on a non existant country!

*insert victory golden shower here*

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia

Israel should be at war with the Palestinians since the Palestinians have elected a government which says they want to destroy Israel and kill all the Jews*.

but thats no justification for war. palestine is not in breach of its international obligations because of what it believes. you can only be in breach through an action.

There are no international obligations. Further more, blowing up a hotel and murdering the citizens of another country with a state sanction, is an act of war.

The platform of Hamas is the complete destruction if Israel. This is a declaration of war from Hamas. Israel has not returned the declaration. Israel is entirley capable(physically) of commiting genocide. If you think for a minute that Israel could not kill, or forcibly deport every Palestinian, or simply blockade them so they starve to death, or leave, you are mistaken.

Israel is better then them.

Your in a candy store with a child and the owner says he is going to give you and the child with you a piece of candy but you have to split it. The child screams no and kicks you in the testicles. Then a mob of his friends come and attempt to do likewise-you give them all a hard smack and they go away.

You try to share the candy, the child still will not do it and tries to kick you in the testicles. So you eat the candy and tell him he is out of luck.

Then the little kid keeps punching you in the testicles over and over and says he wishes you are dead... what do you do? If it was an adult you would break his arm or another body part the first time he did it. But its a stupid little kid, so maybe you just put it over your knee and paddle it.... and it keeps doing it. You go back and forth for a few rounds. Your still too kind for euthenasia.

[The Emperor Fabulous]

Body of kidnapped Israeli settler found: Palestinians
Jun 28 8:58 PM US/Eastern

The body of an Israeli settler kidnapped at the weekend by Palestinian militants was recovered overnight by Israeli troops in the West Bank city of Ramallah, Palestinian security sources said, without providing further details.

On Wednesday, the armed Popular Resistance Committees had displayed a photocopy of the identity papers of the 18-year-old Eliahu Asheri, a settler who was reported missing Sunday from the West Bank, and threatened to kill him unless Israel halted its offensive in the Gaza Strip.



Palestinian security officials also said that the Israeli army has detained more than 10 ministers and lawmakers of the Hamas-led Palestinian government in an overnight raid in the West Bank.

Deputy prime minister Nasser al-Shaher and the minister of religious affairs, Nasser Nayef Rajoub, were among those arrested early Thursday in the Israeli raids, which targeted a building in Ramallah where ministers had gathered for the night, as well as sites in the southern West Bank city of Hebron, the sources said.

Israel have launched a ground and air assault on the Gaza Strip, vowing to used "extreme measures" to rescue a teenage soldier captured by Palestinian militants.

Palestinians warned the offensive would only trigger more bloodshed, with the Hamas-led government slamming it as "military madness" and Palestinian Authority president Mahmud Abbas branding it collective punishment.

It was the first major ground incursion into Gaza since Israel pulled out of the impoverished coastal strip last year in a highly controversial operation that ended a 38-year occupation.

"We decided to use extreme means to bring Gilad (Shalit) home and we have no intention of reoccupying the Gaza Strip," Prime Minister Ehud Olmert was quoted as saying in by public radio referring to the 19-year-old conscript.


"Last night's operation will continue. No one who is involved in terror will be immune. We have one central goal: to bring Gilad home."

Much of Gaza was plunged into darkness after war planes waged night-time strikes to blow up a power plant and three bridges as militants prepared for an invasion by building barricades and blocking roads.

Before dawn, tanks, armoured cars and bulldozers rolled several kilometres (miles) into southern Gaza, where the missing soldier was believed to be held, pushing into the disused international airport near Rafah.

The move followed intensive efforts to free Shalit after his seizure in an attack Sunday that killed two soldiers and was claimed by three groups including fighters loyal to Hamas.

Israeli planes later raided a Hamas training camp in Rafah.


White House spokesman Tony Snow backed Israel's "right to defend itself" and blamed Hamas for the incursion, but urged Israel to ensure "innocent civilians are not harmed."

EU External Relations Commissioner Benita Ferrero-Waldner urged both sides to end hostilities.

They "need to step back from the brink before this becomes a crisis that neither can control," she said in a statement.

Palestinian prime minister Ismail Haniya condemned Washington for "giving the green light to (Israeli) aggression," which he demanded Israel stop before the situation worsened.

"The Israeli occupation must put an end to its aggression before the situation gets complicated and the crisis gets worse," he said, adding that he hoped a "positive result" could be found.


Four Israeli warplanes overflew the presidential palace of Syria's Bashar al-Assad, breaking the sound barrier in a move a military spokeswoman said was "due to the support and protection Syria gives Hamas."

Public Security Minister Avi Dichter even issued a direct threat to kill Hamas chiefs in Syria, the base of the movement's political supremo, Khaled Meshaal, who escaped a Mossad attempt on his life in Amman in 1997.

He said Israel had warned Syria about the presence of Hamas and Islamic Jihad leaders in Damascus but was ignored. "This therefore gives Israel full permission to attack these assassins."

Armed groups have vowed not to release the soldier until all Palestinian women and children are freed from Israeli jails, a demand rejected by Olmert who ordered tanks and a force of about 5,000 troops to mass on the Gaza border.

But a Palestinian foreign ministry spokesman later said his government was seeking a deal for the soldier's release in exchange for freeing Palestinian prisoners.


"We have sent letters to the foreign ministries of Arab governments asking them to support a negotiated solution that includes the exchange of Palestinian detainees imprisoned by the Israeli occupation for the kidnapped Israeli soldier," Taher Nunu said.

Amnesty International called for all hostages to be released and for "an end to the wanton destruction and collective punishment being carried out by Israeli forces in the Gaza Strip."

It said "destruction of three bridges and electricity networks ... have left half the population of the Gaza Strip without electricity and have reportedly also adversely affected the supply of water."

The soldier's capture has triggered the worst Middle East crisis since Hamas took office in March after an election that sent shockwaves throughout Israel and the West.

It also presented the first major challenge for Olmert since he took office in May pledging to unilaterally redraw the map of Israel even without negotiations with the Palestinians.

Egypt, France and the Vatican, as well as the United States, had sought to exert pressure on the Palestinians to hand over the soldier.

Hamas held an urgent Palestinian cabinet meeting in a bid to find an end to the standoff, with deputy prime minister Nasserdine al-Shaer calling on the kidnappers to "preserve his life."

Government spokesman Ghazi Hamad said the offensive was unjustified "military madness" and accused Israel of seeking to cause "chaos and provoke a new bloody conflict."

Sunday's attack, which saw gunmen tunnel their way into Israel, has raised questions over possible military and intelligence failings.

Tensions have long been mounting, with Israel and the West financially and politically boycotting Hamas as a terror group, plunging the territories into a deep crisis.

Past history of soldiers abducted at the hands of Palestinians bodes ill for Shalit, with all nine such previous cases ending in death.

[Kuciwalker]

Vesayen: what the FUCK?

[Vesayen]

Feel free to articulate your disagreement specifically.

[Vesayen]

You are taking for granted that you BELIEVE international law is legitimate. Why do you BELIEVE that? Because it has been drilled into your skull hearing it so many times?

Do you have any logical reason to believe it is legitimate-or a way to counter my arguments against it?

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Vesayen: what the FUCK?

QFT&FNO*S&F

[Vesayen]

I think its my turn to ask; What the **** heh?

[The Emperor Fabulous]

Gaza militants say fired chemical-tipped warhead
Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:39pm ET

GAZA (Reuters) - A spokesman for gunmen in the Gaza Strip said they had fired a rocket tipped with a chemical warhead at Israel early on Thursday.

The Israeli army had no immediate comment on the claim by the spokesman from the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, an armed wing of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas's Fatah movement.

The group had recently claimed to possess about 20 biological warheads for the makeshift rockets commonly fired from Gaza at Israeli towns. This was the first time the group had claimed firing such a rocket.

"The al-Aqsa Brigades have fired one rocket with a chemical warhead" at southern Israel, Abu Qusai, a spokesman for the group, said in Gaza.

An Israeli military spokeswoman said the army had not detected that any such rocket was fired, nor was there any report of such a weapon hitting Israel.