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why has the western press used the word "kidnapped" for the israeli soldier. Why not say that he was "captured" or became a "prisoner of war" why is it when israel captures palestinians it is called "captured" and not "kidnapped"
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Captured would work. As for PoW... that's obviously a loaded term, because using it = saying it's a war. Of course, it pretty much is a war... but a limited one instead of a total one.
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yeah but "kidnapped" is a loaded word. From the palestianian point of view, when one of their's gets captured, I have no doubt that they also say "kidnapped." but isnt western press supposed to be objective and middle eastern press highly biased? but if western press gives us the truth, then why use loaded terms. we are no better than al jazeera if we use "kidnapped" instead of "captured""Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito MussoliniComment
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According to The Nation magazine in its 1948 report (sourced by British Intelligence documents), Britain was on the side of the Arab League in the 1948 attempt to destroy Israel - even to the extent of co-ordinating the war. The document strongly refutes the popular notion that Israel was the creation of Western colonialism.Originally posted by Gamecube64
I blame the English.
If they hadn't used the land of a nation they promised independence to for Isreal none of this **** would have hit the fan. Taking land from Muslims to give to Jews. lol nothing will happen everything will be fine LOL
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Hell, didn't Jewish fighters blow up some British troops? The Brits were NOT on the Israeli side in the 40s, the Balfour Declaration notwithstanding.
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This is a long-standing complaint vis-a-vis reporting of ME news. :shrug:Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
yeah but "kidnapped" is a loaded word. From the palestianian point of view, when one of their's gets captured, I have no doubt that they also say "kidnapped." but isnt western press supposed to be objective and middle eastern press highly biased? but if western press gives us the truth, then why use loaded terms. we are no better than al jazeera if we use "kidnapped" instead of "captured"
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How could he be a prisoner of war, when the Pal authority is NOT at war with Israel, as we've been told repeatedly?Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
why has the western press used the word "kidnapped" for the israeli soldier. Why not say that he was "captured" or became a "prisoner of war" why is it when israel captures palestinians it is called "captured" and not "kidnapped"
Israel of course captures terrorists for their acts, such as bombmaking, etc. Act for which the PA is obliged to arrest them under Oslo, but either doesnt, or catches and quickly releases. Were there any acts that Shalit did that would justify his arrest? Does the Hamas govt of the PA intend to state that the IDF is a criminal organization, and that any IDF member is subject to "capture"?
I mean, when was the last time Israel captured a Hamas or Islamic Jihad "militant" and then turned around and within a few days tried to deal him for political concessions?"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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You'd feel more comfortable if they'd try and imprison the soldier then?DISCLAIMER: the author of the above written texts does not warrant or assume any legal liability or responsibility for any offence and insult; disrespect, arrogance and related forms of demeaning behaviour; discrimination based on race, gender, age, income class, body mass, living area, political voting-record, football fan-ship and musical preference; insensitivity towards material, emotional or spiritual distress; and attempted emotional or financial black-mailing, skirt-chasing or death-threats perceived by the reader of the said written texts.Comment
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Id be more comfortable if they accepted the Oslo accords, accepted Israels existence (which acceptance is the basis for the existence of the PA) and stopped commiting acts of violence against Israel, and made SOME effort to enforce the law against other groups that committed acts of violence from bases in the territory under their control.Originally posted by Colon™
You'd feel more comfortable if they'd try and imprison the soldier then?
However the discussion was NOT about what im comfortable with, but about why the western media uses the term kidnapping instead of capturing.
Heres an item from Haaretz
"GOC Central Command Yair Naveh held a meeting this week to discuss the recent abduction of an American student in Nablus, who was released after a few hours, and the attempted kidnapping of two hitchhikers in the West Bank. Naveh said that there appears to have been a wave of attempted abductions in the West Bank, and ordered security coordinators in the settlements to extend their security patrols to hitchhiking stations near their communities. The Military Police and the regular police will also increase their patrols near hitchhiking stations. The IDF advised settlers to engage drivers in conversation before getting into a car and to be on the lookout for suspicious behavior. "
Sure sounds like kidnapping to me. Hell, why not call ANY abduction a "capture" instead of a kidnapping? Why bother with the word kidnapping?"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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has the PA govt even admitted that it was their forces that "captured" Shalit? I can tell you right off, if some Israeli extremist group, say Kach, for example, kidnapped an Arab, it would be called kidnapping, even by the more hawkish Israeli papers."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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Well:
The colonist is kidnapped
The soldier is captured.
Does that sound ok ?"Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."Comment
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Only if the govt of the PA states that its at war with Israel.Originally posted by dannubis
Well:
The colonist is kidnapped
The soldier is captured.
Does that sound ok ?
If the Mossad went into Belgium and "captured" a Belgian soldier, what word would you use?"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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You mean like if after Serbia withdrew from Kosovo, and had withdrawn all Serb civilians from Kosovo, the KLA had fired rockets from Kosovo into Serb border towns, and then, when the Serbian military, while refraining from crossing back into Kosovo, despite calls from Serb nationalists to do so, had targeted specific KLA operatives, the KLA had responded by kidnapping a Serb soldier from Serbia and absconding with him back into Kosovo, and the Serb army had then entered Kosovo only to retrieve their comrade, while promising not to stay in Kosovo?Originally posted by Sava
All things being equal, if the Serbs were doing this to someone, NATO would begin bombing in 5 minutes.
Hypocrisy
Im sorry, but ME politics makes the Balkans look, well, "unBalkan"."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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LOTM, to me it's more of a question whether the reaction is proportionate, rather than whether we're using the right terminology. You almost make it seem as if had the PA officially declared war upon Israel, and had it been helding the soldier within its official capacity as government, there wouldn't have any reason for such a large scale military operation. If we're going with the hostage-taking anology, when was the last time a military launched tanks and bombed civilian infrastructure in order to free hostages? Isn't this usually more of a special-ops job?DISCLAIMER: the author of the above written texts does not warrant or assume any legal liability or responsibility for any offence and insult; disrespect, arrogance and related forms of demeaning behaviour; discrimination based on race, gender, age, income class, body mass, living area, political voting-record, football fan-ship and musical preference; insensitivity towards material, emotional or spiritual distress; and attempted emotional or financial black-mailing, skirt-chasing or death-threats perceived by the reader of the said written texts.Comment
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The Israelis have sprung into action, bombing utilities and terrorising hundreds of thousands of people with sonic booms. This will get that captive back.
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