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  • Hi Michelle:

    Yeah, that sounds like he's a bit too far on the other side of things. The important thing is you talked about it! The easiest advice is to suggest seeing a marriage counselor. This challenge is VERY common, and you shouldn't feel like you're in this boat alone.

    Having said that, maybe you could lay some ground rules: my wife and I actually, for a time, scheduled time for sex. This had to do with the fact that we have two young children and were just letting their needs take over completely, and it brought us to the brink. Of course, to have sex when kids are around means you have to focus more on getting them to bed on time, etc. It was mechanical a bit at first but gradually became a much healthier habit.

    So, I'd suggest you guys pick 3-4-5 nights a week where sex is scheduled. Sounds corny, but trust me. Even if you just end up in a quiet space, relaxed, and talking, that's a plus. He might be surprised how much more lessened the need for porn becomes.

    The other ground rule I'd try is to affirm with him that while you don't object to his viewing porn as a normal outlet, the time should be scaled back to make more time for the sex schedule. Also, he should hear, if he hasn't already, that being curious about perverse photos (animals, etc.) is one thing, but returning to it over and over could be a sign that he should talk with a sex counselor ... if for no other reason than to hear from a professional how troubled he should or should not be by it.

    The final thing I would suggest is to share a porn session with him. It's kind of like a parent letting a kid smoke that first cigarette: some of the 'danger factor' of looking at porn is taken away when your wife accepts it with you, and the danger factor can be addicting itself. In the best case scenario, the following goals would be met:

    1] He'd spend a lot less time looking at the stuff.
    2] You'd spend a lot more time together as a couple.
    3] You'd come to view porn itself as neither good nor bad but as a tool that, like all tools, can either build up or tear down.
    I've been on these boards for a long time and I still don't know what to think when it comes to you -- FrantzX, December 21, 2001

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    • That was very profound! Your wife should be proud! We also have two small children, it can become a strain i know, but the kids do go to bed before 7pm every night! it doesnt have much affect except for my mental state of mind, but I will definatly suggest what you have said.

      Thanx

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      • Oh, the last bit of advice: NEVER take advice from anybody on Apolyton! Hey, congrats on getting the kids to bed before 7. Holy Cow. You might have other challenges in your house, but you're setting the pace on kiddie bed time. We're still pretty horrible on that.
        I've been on these boards for a long time and I still don't know what to think when it comes to you -- FrantzX, December 21, 2001

        "Yin": Your friendly, neighborhood negative cosmic force.

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        • It actually sounds like like he is over exposed, which could cause the loss that you have noticed in the bedroom.

          And while I am glad that watching porn together worked for you Yin, it won't work for many (majority) of people, and based upon the discription, won't work for these two.

          Jon Miller
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          • Yeah, it sounds like he's struggling with the issue. I hope they tackle it. By the way, what are your thoughts on why this seems such a problem in people's relationships? Is is primarily that the women feel threatened or that men get consumed? "Both" is an easy answer, so let me refine the question: Why do women feel so threatened and why do men get so consumed? In both cases, they're seeing make believe people/situations as somehow real or somehow more compelling than the people/situations in front of them. Is it escapism for men and, therefore, a real threat for women?

            By the way, I also understand that a huge majority of the people in porn (especially women, it seems) come from some pretty dodgy backgrounds of family/sexual abuse, etc. Even if porn is a "victimless" crime, it does have a lot victims in staring roles. Having this perspective in mind, at least for me, helps to limit porn's appeal.
            I've been on these boards for a long time and I still don't know what to think when it comes to you -- FrantzX, December 21, 2001

            "Yin": Your friendly, neighborhood negative cosmic force.

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            • I can see why women feel threatened when: (and not all porn does this, but some does)

              It demeans women (see gagging porn for example)
              It is a serious kink (animal, bdsm, etc)
              It is illegal (some kinks, pedo)
              It is coercive.. (You don't get me off anymore, but this kink does.. so if you want to make me happy you would do that)

              Also, I know a lot of guys (myself included) with a porn addiction.

              Jon Miller
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              • Originally posted by shellym
                Wow you guys really went for it didnt you!

                OK well to update you all, we had another night of not talking and sleeping seperatly

                This morning however he wanted to talk, he has basically said that he doesnt know why he wants to look at it so bad, he also knows that he cannot control himself when he does, his intention can be to just check summat on the computer and he will end up looking at porn, without even intending to. He also knows that the longer he looks (days weeks months) the worse he gets. I dont want to lable his with an addiction, i think that is a cope out! But i know he has issues.

                To address some comments made:

                Masterbation: he doesnt do it

                Sex: In my opinion not enough (twice a week)

                Fantasies: We both have them and have no problems acting on them.

                Porn: He is not looking at it for a thrill

                I am not sure if the porn and the lack of sex drive are related??? Any ideas

                I dont want to stop him from looking completly, he is a man and i know men do this, but i also cannot put up with some of the stuff he has looked at in the past (animals and stuff), the reason he gave me for looking at more and more preverse things was that he was looking for something else to give him a rise (he wasnt with the normal things) what i want to do is to share in it with him (we are married if that makes any difference) but if i do that will i make matters worse by tempting him, or will it help have the edge off????

                well this is definitely beyond the scope of anything ive encountered personally or among my friends. i think you need to give him a swift kick in the pants.

                Thaks again
                Michelle
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                • Creative response, MRT144.
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                  • Originally posted by Jon Miller
                    Also, I know a lot of guys (myself included) with a porn addiction.

                    Jon Miller
                    Hey, thanks for the candor. Helps me understand your angle on this better.
                    I've been on these boards for a long time and I still don't know what to think when it comes to you -- FrantzX, December 21, 2001

                    "Yin": Your friendly, neighborhood negative cosmic force.

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                    • Originally posted by Lorizael
                      Yes. Men will always want to masturbate. Then again, almost all of my female friends masturbate on a fairly frequent basis, too, so who knows.
                      how do you know they masturbate? I have never asked my female friends. I wouldn't even dare ask them that!

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                      • I wouldn't have a friend I couldn't have such a conversation with.
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                        • so when you meet new people, you ask them about their masturbatory habits?

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                          • I don't meet new people. They find me and force me to talk to them.
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                            • and back to the subject at hand (no pun intended), it does sound like porn addiciton.

                              I kind of found myself creeping towards that at one point. When you start, sometimes you feel you can't stop. even though I have gigs of porn on my hard drive.

                              Actually the thing that caused me to stop was a virus. Free porn comes at a price. . I haven't downloaded any porn since that virus. But I still look at my old stuff a couple times a month. Usually I just use my imagination. Even though sometimes I think about things I shouldn't be thinking about (like screwing my best friend). That can't be healthy. Sometimes I think I should break off my friendship because of that. oh well. but no, I have never ask my best friend if she masturbates. I don't talk about sex with her. She doesn't really care for that kind of talk.

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                              • I view it as being an addiction if you have problems stopping... (that is at least one of the signs)

                                Things that normally would be OK (or not so bad, etc) become bad when they are addictions/done to excess.

                                Jon Miller
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