End of Moussaoui trial may destroy Bush administration

[Ted Striker]

ZOMG Daz you are a wacko stop actually thinking !!!

[Lorizael]

Why do you think they collapsed almost perfectly? People ran from the buildings as they fell, tryng to avoid the explosion of debris and smoke and ash and dust that billowed forth. Buildings nearby were damaged. Where's the perfect part come in?

[Arrian]

Originally posted by Daz
Just one thought:

What are the odds that two identical buildings after being severly damaged collapse into itself almost perfectly. The odds are like winning the lottery.

If not, who would pay a single cent to demolition experts. Why not just set it on fire, put random charges it the building and let physics take its course...

Near-perfectly, in that they "pancaked" almost straight down. The pancaking was explained adequately enough for me: the jet fuel-fed fire weakened the steel supports and the upper floors came right down on top of the fire, starting a chain-reaction, one floor on top of another, all the way down.

What is fishy about that? It seems perfectly reasonable to me.

-Arrian

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Additionally the geometry of these particular buildings being thin pillars lends itself better to this type of failure than some of the more exotic and/or irregular geometries. But what do I know I'm too busy not thinking.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Now, I'm not saying that the media wouldn't have ignored it even if it had been leaked. After all, on stuff like the abuse at Abu Graib, the secret prisons, the wire tapping, etc. the main stream media has sat on that stuff for a year or longer.

Er, no

American Journalism Review

October-December 2003
Many of the alleged abuses at Abu Ghraib take place.

October 5, 2003
The Associated Press reports on the closure of Camp Cropper, a notorious detention center at the Baghdad airport. Journalists had been barred from the camp, but reporter Charles J. Hanley interviews released detainees about abuses.

November 1, 2003
The AP distributes a major story by Hanley about alleged abuse at three Iraqi POW camps, including Abu Ghraib, based on interviews with former POWs.

January 13, 2004 Army Spc. Joseph M. Darby, an MP at Abu Ghraib, reports cases of abuse at the
prison to military investigators.

January 16, 2004
The U.S. Command in Baghdad issues a one-paragraph press release about an investigation into prisoner abuse. A Lexis-Nexis search shows that most media outlets either ignored the announcement or ran brief stories.

January 19, 2004
Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez orders a criminal investigation into the 800th Military Police Brigade.

January 21, 2004
CNN reports that U.S. male and female soldiers reportedly posed for photos with partially unclothed Iraqi prisoners and that the focus of the Army's investigation is Abu Ghraib.

January 31, 2004
Maj. Gen. Antonio M. Taguba is appointed to head an inquiry into allegations of abuse at Abu Ghraib. On March 3 he presents his report, citing widespread abuse of prisoners by military police and military intelligence officers, to Gen. David McKiernan. On April 6 McKiernan approves the findings, leading to the discharge of two soldiers from the 800th MP Unit and letters of reprimand to six others.

February 23, 2004
The U.S. military announces that 17 personnel have been relieved of duty during the abuse investigation.

March 3, 2004
Jen Banbury, a correspondent for the online magazine Salon, files a story out of Baghdad about allegations of beatings, sleep deprivation, sexual humiliation and neglect leading to deaths at Abu Ghraib.

March 20, 2004
Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt announces to the media that six military personnel have been charged with criminal offenses. On May 7, a seventh soldier is charged.

April 28, 2004
CBS' "60 Minutes II" airs graphic photographs of abuse at Abu Ghraib. The scandal quickly becomes major national and international news. '"


It took a few months, and the MSM didnt have confirmation for much of that period.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

US to release video of September 11 attack on Pentagon
May 16 1:08 PM US/Eastern
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The US government has agreed to release video film Tuesday showing a hijacked jetliner strike the Pentagon on September 11, 2001.

Taken by surveillance cameras in the Pentagon parking lot, the images have been the subject of lawsuits prompted in part by conspiracy theories surrounding the attack.



The Justice Department, which had blocked their release, agreed to turn over the video clips now that the trial of Al Qaeda plotter Zacarias Moussaoui has ended, a Pentagon spokesman, Bryan Whitman, said.

Whitman said the images appear to be the same as a series of still pictures previously seen on US television.

"We fought hard to obtain this video because we felt that it was very important to complete the public record with respect to the terrorist attacks of September 11," said Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch, a group that sued for the release of the video.

"Finally, we hope that this video will put to rest the conspiracy theories involving American Airlines Flight 77," he said in a statement.

The group said it would post a copy of the video on its website, www.judicialwatch.org.

The Pentagon admitted having the video last year, but said it could not release the film because it was part of its investigation into Moussaoui, Judicial Watch said.

Moussaoui was sentenced to life in prison this month over the September 11 attacks conspiracy.

Flight 77 slammed into the Pentagon at 9:37 am on September 11, killing 189 people in the jet and on the ground.

During the Moussaoui trial, prosecutors showed pictures of burning bodies amd human remains as well as images of the explosion triggered by the Pentagon crash.

[Ted Striker]

Finally they have been released

Very sad it took a court order and a very long hard, expensive fight to get them released

Which brings the question, why were they being refused to be released for so long ?

We know Justice is pretty much in the pocket of the White House at this point

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


Er, no

American Journalism Review

October-December 2003
Many of the alleged abuses at Abu Ghraib take place.

October 5, 2003
The Associated Press reports on the closure of Camp Cropper, a notorious detention center at the Baghdad airport. Journalists had been barred from the camp, but reporter Charles J. Hanley interviews released detainees about abuses.

November 1, 2003
The AP distributes a major story by Hanley about alleged abuse at three Iraqi POW camps, including Abu Ghraib, based on interviews with former POWs.

January 13, 2004 Army Spc. Joseph M. Darby, an MP at Abu Ghraib, reports cases of abuse at the
prison to military investigators.

January 16, 2004
The U.S. Command in Baghdad issues a one-paragraph press release about an investigation into prisoner abuse. A Lexis-Nexis search shows that most media outlets either ignored the announcement or ran brief stories.

January 19, 2004
Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez orders a criminal investigation into the 800th Military Police Brigade.

January 21, 2004
CNN reports that U.S. male and female soldiers reportedly posed for photos with partially unclothed Iraqi prisoners and that the focus of the Army's investigation is Abu Ghraib.

January 31, 2004
Maj. Gen. Antonio M. Taguba is appointed to head an inquiry into allegations of abuse at Abu Ghraib. On March 3 he presents his report, citing widespread abuse of prisoners by military police and military intelligence officers, to Gen. David McKiernan. On April 6 McKiernan approves the findings, leading to the discharge of two soldiers from the 800th MP Unit and letters of reprimand to six others.

February 23, 2004
The U.S. military announces that 17 personnel have been relieved of duty during the abuse investigation.

March 3, 2004
Jen Banbury, a correspondent for the online magazine Salon, files a story out of Baghdad about allegations of beatings, sleep deprivation, sexual humiliation and neglect leading to deaths at Abu Ghraib.

March 20, 2004
Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt announces to the media that six military personnel have been charged with criminal offenses. On May 7, a seventh soldier is charged.

April 28, 2004
CBS' "60 Minutes II" airs graphic photographs of abuse at Abu Ghraib. The scandal quickly becomes major national and international news. '"


It took a few months, and the MSM didnt have confirmation for much of that period.

Okay 6 months in that particular case


In other news, what is particularly becoming scary, is that the FBI is now monitoring the calls from ABC news, particularly its investigative unit

Nice to see another bastion of Democracy, you know that whole Freedom of the Press thing, being eroded

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
Finally they have been released

Very sad it took a court order and a very long hard, expensive fight to get them released

Which brings the question, why were they being refused to be released for so long ?

We know Justice is pretty much in the pocket of the White House at this point

The Black Helicopters! They follow me everywhere! A lame duck president who has no control over his own party magically has control over the entire universe behind the scenes!

[Ted Striker]

But can you give an explanation for why they were not released without a fight

I didn't think so

[Jaguar]

9-11. Great conspiracy? Or the greatest conspiracy?

[Ted Striker]

Coward

[Lorizael]

Dude. He can't respond inside of your post.

[Jaguar]

If you think I'm going to treat any of your nonsense with a modicum of respect, you're sorely mistaken.

[Ted Striker]

You're a big chicken enjoying a circle jerk, it must feel good though