10 Reasons why Gay Marriage is Wrong!!

[Ben Kenobi]

I suppose I didn't understand what you meant by "swinging lifestyle" and thought you meant gays. Please define the term, then.

Promiscuity is the less 'contemporary' term. Folks sleeping with different partners on a frequent basis

But, but... I thought being gay was a CHOICE, Ben? Having a family history of a health condition is about your genetic makeup. Are you contending that gays are genetically predisposed to have drug/alcohol problems? Because if you are, you've accepted that it's not a choice.

Genetics aren't destiny. Just because you have a predisposition to a particular condition does not mean the condition will arise.

For example, if you have someone predisposed to alcoholism in a mormon family, they may never become aware of their predisposition. They have to first be exposed to alcohol.

As for the desires of gay people, I think that they really are born with these desires, but they still have the choice whether or not to act on them. That's the difference. The gay people here seem to claim that because they are gay they have no choice but to act on their desires, but that's no different from an alcoholic saying he does not choose to drink.

[Kontiki]

Nobel Prize for Ben! He's determined that not only is being gay genetic, but also that the "gay gene" is tied to those which make you more susceptible to drug and alcohol abuse! Where can I find the articles you've published on this, Ben?

[Flubber]

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Second, I'm with Flubber in questioning whether it's merely being gay that creates the added risk, or if it's the result of rejection/denial and societal stigma associated with homosexuality.

-Arrian

Nothing BenK has cited has addressed this.

[Ben Kenobi]

But that still means there's nothing problematic about lesbians.

Uh, the citations list health problems associated with both.

[Ben Kenobi]

Nobel Prize for Ben! He's determined that not only is being gay genetic, but also that the "gay gene" is tied to those which make you more susceptible to drug and alcohol abuse! Where can I find the articles you've published on this, Ben?

Logic and reason. I know it hasn't conclusively been proved to have a genetic basis, but this is the argument that makes sense to me.

If you wish to deny a genetic basis for homosexual desires then go right ahead. No loss, if it's established as a societal construct, since we all know constructs can be changed.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi

As for the desires of gay people, I think that they really are born with these desires, but they still have the choice whether or not to act on them. That's the difference. The gay people here seem to claim that because they are gay they have no choice but to act on their desires, but that's no different from an alcoholic saying he does not choose to drink.

Everyone with free will has a choice as to their actions. My question is "WHY" should a gay person not freely express their sexuality with another consenting adult if they so choose??

[Ben Kenobi]

However, the researchers did note that "gay men and lesbians may have lifestyles that make them vulnerable to psychological disorder. Such lifestyles may include increased use of drugs and alcohol."

From the earlier study I posted to you Flubber.

[Kontiki]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


Logic and reason. I know it hasn't conclusively been proved to have a genetic basis, but this is the argument that makes sense to me.

And you have neither, although your ability to shift the goalposts when you're getting your ass handed to you is quite honed. You have made a bald-faced assertion that being gay in and of itself makes one more susceptable to drug and alcohol addiction. I want to see you back that up.

[Ben Kenobi]

IN Canada we have had our say and the people say yes . . .

Isn't democracy grand??

In a free vote in parliament?

Exactly -- apply that to same-sex relationships and you are getting it.

There is no reason that "society " can't benefit just as much from long term homosexual relationships. Its not all benefits you know . . . With marriage can come support obligations as well

Define 'long-term'. If society only benefits from long-term relationships, then why are we permitting gay marriages when there is no such guarantee?

I already gave a reason why society cannot benefit from gay marriages in the same way in which they benefit from marriage between one man and one woman.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


From the earlier study I posted to you Flubber.

Sure and could someone having a wild lifestyle have ANYTHING to do with the fact that daddy couldn't cope with having a gay son and kicked him to the curb at age 14?


You can cite the general stats all day and it doesn't change the fact that we don't know how much of this is caused by parental and societal reaction. It may well be that homosexuals would have exactly the same rate of abuse problems if societal family reaction was not so often so very negative.

[Ben Kenobi]

Everyone with free will has a choice as to their actions. My question is "WHY" should a gay person not freely express their sexuality with another consenting adult if they so choose??

Where have I argued this ought to be restricted? I have said many times that I do not favour making it illegal for gay men to have sex with each other.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


Define 'long-term'. If society only benefits from long-term relationships, then why are we permitting gay marriages when there is no such guarantee?

I already gave a reason why society cannot benefit from gay marriages in the same way in which they benefit from marriage between one man and one woman.

Is that your old "having children" horse turd of an argument? I'll consider that if they ban marriage between people over 60 and require an affidvit of intent to reproduce.


ben why are we permitting straight marriages with no guarantee they will be long term??

[Ben Kenobi]

You have made a bald-faced assertion that being gay in and of itself makes one more susceptable to drug and alcohol addiction. I want to see you back that up.

My post to Flubber. Perhaps you should go and read what I cited.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Kid:



And, have I said gay men should be prevented from having sex with each other?

I think you want everyone to have a choice, but make the same choices that you do. That's ok, and everyone expects it. My point is that gays should benefit from making the choices that they prefer, not what others' prefer them to make. Opposing a policy that doesn't benefit people when they make the choice that they prefer, isn't optimal. It seems that the only reason that you oppose it is because you want everyone to make the same choices that you make. While there's some individual benefit for you in that, I don't see the benefit to us all.

You're argument that gay marriage is an overall cost to society is weak. Society benefits greatly when people have true freedom of choice. That is, making the choices that they prefer isn't 'taxed' in anyway, and they receive the same benefits as others who make similar personal choices.

[Ben Kenobi]

Sure and could someone having a wild lifestyle have ANYTHING to do with the fact that daddy couldn't cope with having a gay son and kicked him to the curb at age 14?

It could also mean having the money to go and spend, and daddy never being home. It could have all sorts of reasons, nothing to do with attitude wrt to being gay.

You can cite the general stats all day and it doesn't change the fact that we don't know how much of this is caused by parental and societal reaction. It may well be that homosexuals would have exactly the same rate of abuse problems if societal family reaction was not so often so very negative.

Actually, I can. I have cited a study that says the way in which gay people choose to live affects their health. Now, you can come up with all sorts of reasons why people behave in this way, or you can say, the way in which gay people choose to live their lives affects their health.

I agree, the root causes need to be dealt with. However, people still make the decision to live their lives in this manner. We are not helping folks by ignoring the consequences they bear by how they choose to live their lives.