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IRONY OF IRONIES: 'museum of tolerance' on Muslim graves...
You wouldn't have any problem then, if say, someone built an outhouse on your grandparents' graves?
after reinterring them? Why should that be an issue?
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
Originally posted by dannubis
Spraybere i think you would speak differently if i were to build a hotel in omaha beach wouldn't you ?
Is the Normany coast as crowded as the City of Jerusalem?
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
What if the family doesn't want the bodies relocated?
Then its a question of land rights, the contract they have with the cemetary, etc. A property question. Thats all. Cemetaries are relocated all the time MR fun, and often without the consent of relatives. The only reason anyone here brought it up is cause it fits with the agenda of the Independent and certain posters.
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
Then its a question of land rights, the contract they have with the cemetary, etc. A property question. Thats all. Cemetaries are relocated all the time MR fun, and often without the consent of relatives. The only reason anyone here brought it up is cause it fits with the agenda of the Independent and certain posters.
Well if land rights can allow this contracting company to walk all over the dignity of Muslims then I guess it's perfectly moral to do so.
A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.
Well if land rights can allow this contracting company to walk all over the dignity of Muslims then I guess it's perfectly moral to do so.
But from what I can gather from even the quotes mobius included, there are cemetaries all over jerusalem, and its routine there to relocate them. Its NOT an affront to anybodys dignity.
Could it be possible somebodys making a stink cause they dont like the weisenthal center?
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
Grand Mufti asks to halt building tolerance museum on cemetery
By Reuters
A senior Muslim cleric said on Thursday he asked the Supreme Court to stop construction of a museum dedicated to human rights and tolerance in Jerusalem after bones from an old Muslim cemetery were found during
foundation work.
.....
"The land wasn't a cemetery when we got it from city hall and the government and we are waiting to know the (court's) decision," the spokesman, Hagai Elias, said.
They didnt go looking for a cemetary to build on, as the Independent article implies. They started building on a parking lot, and in the course of digging the foundation they found some bones. Which the mufti immediately made claims about.
Now maybe the courts will say they cant build on it. But its hardly the case of the SWC being insensitive, as some would like you to believe.
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
How would you like it if your 'friends' of another religion decided to break open the graves of your long dead relatives in the name of 'tolerance'...?
So I take it you agree with what the Simon Weisenthal centre is doing then, by calling this 'trolling'?
The US has done worse to Native Americans..... so I don't see what your point is.
Grand Mufti asks to halt building tolerance museum on cemetery
By Reuters
A senior Muslim cleric said on Thursday he asked the Supreme Court to stop construction of a museum dedicated to human rights and tolerance in Jerusalem after bones from an old Muslim cemetery were found during
foundation work.
.....
"The land wasn't a cemetery when we got it from city hall and the government and we are waiting to know the (court's) decision," the spokesman, Hagai Elias, said.
They didnt go looking for a cemetary to build on, as the Independent article implies. They started building on a parking lot, and in the course of digging the foundation they found some bones. Which the mufti immediately made claims about.
Now maybe the courts will say they cant build on it. But its hardly the case of the SWC being insensitive, as some would like you to believe.
Ok, so I spoke with too much haste.
A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.
Grand Mufti asks to halt building tolerance museum on cemetery
By Reuters
A senior Muslim cleric said on Thursday he asked the Supreme Court to stop construction of a museum dedicated to human rights and tolerance in Jerusalem after bones from an old Muslim cemetery were found during
foundation work.
"We adhere to our legitimate right to protect the Ma'man Allah graveyard and all other Muslim cemeteries. This is the oldest Muslim graveyard in Palestine," said Irkima al-Sabri, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and the Palestinian Territories.
A petition to halt construction of the museum had been presented to the Supreme Court, he said.
The discovery of human remains during construction in Israel is highly sensitive, particularly to Jews and Muslims who have strict rules for burial of the dead.
A spokesman for the Simon Wiesenthal Center, an international Jewish human rights group behind the Museum of Tolerance, said the court would hear the appeal next week.
"The land wasn't a cemetery when we got it from city hall and the government and we are waiting to know the (court's) decision," the spokesman, Hagai Elias, said
Muslim leaders say the parking lot on which the museum is planned is above remnants of a Muslim cemetery on land owned by the Muslim Waqf, a religious trust, and confiscated by Israel.
California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger unveiled a cornerstone of the museum in 2004. The $150 million facility will promote "the vital need for tolerance in Israel and around the globe," the Wiesenthal Center said on its Web site.
"The entire city of Jerusalem is built on an archaeological site and human remains are frequently discovered," said Osnat Goaz, a spokeswoman for the Israel Antiquities Authority.
The remains are often removed and reburied by religious authorities, she said.
Haredi Jews have in the past rioted to demand building plans be halted or road routes changed when workers have found human skeletons on land due for construction.
The Moriah Company for the Development of Jerusalem, which is excavating foundations on behalf of the Jerusalem Municipality before it gives the land to the Simon Wiesenthal Center, said it would "abide by the Supreme Court's decision."
Originally posted by Arrian
I'm curious about the confiscation part.
-Arrian
I dont have the details.
But I do know that a Waqf is a muslim religious foundation, that owns proprety, and uses its endowment to support Mosques, etc. Under Ottoman rule the Waqf was a quasigovernmental institution - those who ran it were appointed by the govt, and I believe it received property from the govt.
I dont know the details, but i presume the confiscation is related to the Waqfs status as a quasigovernmental institution.
Or alternatively, theres a dispute about what the Waqf actually owned. I presume thats what the legal dispute is actually about.
Thats why there are courts, to resolve disputes about property.
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber
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