Abortion!

[Gibsie]

Sex is messy (when done right, oho!), but that doesn't mean a woman should want to go to bed covered in gunk. It could be unhygienic for a start!

[Ben Kenobi]

Sex is messy (when done right, oho!), but that doesn't mean a woman should want to go to bed covered in gunk. It could be unhygienic for a start!

Right, dammit. Having sex is unhygenic and gross and icky.

Like I said, if you are worried about getting yourself all mucked up from sex, that says alot about how you see sex.

I'd hope that after I were finished making love to someone that I'd have other things on my mind then washing myself.

[Stuie]

Wait until you roll into a cold puddle of sperm and other effluence and you might stop thinking whatever it was you were thinking and want to wash yourself.

[Ben Kenobi]

Wait until you roll into a cold puddle of sperm and other effluence and you might stop thinking whatever it was you were thinking and want to wash yourself.

I don't know. I'd think the lady would react rather unkindly to you taking off to the bathroom to wash yourself off right after having sex together.

I can see that being misinterpreted.

[Arrian]

It seems rather odd to me that after having sex, you would feel that you have to wash up afterwards. That would seem to me that you are saying that sex is in fact messy and icky rather then something to enjoy.

No offense, Ben, but you clearly don't know much about this... and after all, why would you? I only know what I know because I've... bumped into it, so to speak.

See, they really need to go to the bathroom (and try to pee, actually), because otherwise it ups the risk of urinary tract infection (which I understand to be really annoying). My gf in college was very suseptible to them, and had to make sure she always went to the bathroom afterward. I'm unclear as to whether it's simply the act of penetration that somehow ups the risk, or if it is the semen itself (thus using a condom could help). I'm no doctor.

-Arrian

[Ben Kenobi]

No offense, Ben, but you clearly don't know much about this... and after all, why would you? I only know what I know because I've... bumped into it, so to speak.

Thanks arrian. I don't know much about these sorts of things at all. Have patience with a fellow who doesn't have the experience.

[Arrian]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


Thanks arrian. I don't know much about these sorts of things at all. Have patience with a fellow who doesn't have the experience.

By the way, I hope my comment was not interpreted as snotty. It wasn't meant that way. I can be snotty w/you at times b/c your opinions tend to irritate me, but that was not my intent there.

-Arrian

[Ben Kenobi]

Not at all. Quite the opposite actually. I appreciated your comment, as it reminds me just how little I know about these things.

[Gibsie]

Now, to combine your quite justified way of thinking, lots of people will not want to have to run to the bathroom right after sex, and by using a condom they can just chuck it in the bin and avoid having any need to go clean up instantly. Now is it immoral for an infertile couple to use a condom during sex for such a reason?

[Arrian]

It then conflicts with Ben's Puritan "Sex must be hard work" ethic - that's too easy, so it's bad.

-Arrian

[Ben Kenobi]

Now is it immoral for an infertile couple to use a condom during sex for such a reason?

The notion that husband and wife become two-in-one-flesh through sexual union implies that each presents to the other the gift of self. This is the meaning of love, to give of oneself to one’s beloved. The sexual act between husband and wife, however, represents a very pure form of love since it requires the spouses to love each other unreservedly and whole-heartedly

Similarly, the Church does not require people to pray all the time. But she does hold that whenever a person prays to God, he does so with reverence. Although we need not pray always, we are never permitted to blaspheme. This negative prohibition should not be difficult to grasp since it is readily understood in thousands of commonplace circumstances. For example, while it is not required that a husband always talk to his wife, it is required that when he does speak to her, that he should do so respectfully. A wife is not obliged to prepare all meals, but when she does prepare a meal, she should not deliberately render it indigestible.

There's the answer for you.

[Arrian]

What answer, Ben?

Are you asserting that it's the wife's "duty" to "give herself unreservedly" to her husband, and that therefore means that she must accept his semen regardless of whether or not it has any effect?

WTF? I note that, once again, you fail to clearly state a position.

-Arrian

[Ben Kenobi]

But she does hold that whenever a person prays to God, he does so with reverence.

I don't see much reverence or respect in using a condom just so that you don't have to clean up a mess.

Instead I see a plenty of reservations. The idea that sex in itself is to be approached with reverence is the idea that I am trying to put forth.

[Arrian]

You blather about respect, but so clearly have none for the woman. And you don't even see it. It's kinda sad, Ben.

-Arrian

[Ben Kenobi]

Are you asserting that it's the wife's "duty" to "give herself unreservedly" to her husband, and that therefore means that she must accept his semen regardless of whether or not it has any effect?

No, if you had read what I said earlier I specifically said that if there is a medical reason why the wife would react adversely, that this needs to be taken into consideration.

However, lacking such medical reason, yes, she has the duty to give herself unreservedly to her husband, just as her husband has a duty to her to give himself unreservedly.

Secondly, are you really giving yourself unreservedly if you refuse to accept someone's semen inside of you? Or are you holding back?