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    BYLINE: Joseph Brean
    SOURCE: National Post
    DATE: Saturday, February 15, 2003


    RESOLUTE BAY, Nunavut - Amidst the paranoia of the Cold War, when the Arctic was a vulnerable border with the Soviet Union, Canada's Minister of Defence pulled an ironic stunt in the skies over the Arctic Ocean.

    Barney Danson was flying out of the Alert military base over frozen islands in the spring of 1977, with the bothersome knowledge that somewhere below him a team of Soviet scientists was conducting research, which probably meant equal parts oceanography and espionage.

    The Soviets had established a research base on an iceberg, complete with living and working quarters and an airstrip, and it had been dubbed Ice Island 22 by the Canadian soldiers at Alert. These drifting research bases -- there were several -- were tolerated by Canada's military only insofar as they could be monitored and they stayed outside Canadian and U.S. waters.

    Ice Island 22, however, had drifted too close to Canada and Danson, escorting a planeload of journalists, wanted to make a point. He instructed the pilot to fly low over the Soviets and open the plane's rear hatch, and as he passed overhead, he tossed a beer stein full of Canadian flags into the cold, white air, watching proudly as they fell over our territory.

    Although he included a friendly note -- "Welcome to our Soviet visitors" -- the underlying message was clear: Even in this barren land, where little grows and few live, we are here. This is Canada.

    Danson's symbolic assertion of sovereignty seems comical today, even quaint, but the philosophy underlying it -- that sovereignty can be claimed simply with a flag -- is today jeopardizing our national claim to the North.

    The irony of the flag stunt is that scientific research has turned out to be a key measure of who reigns over the Arctic, a measure by which Canada has faltered and failed to deserve its claim.

    Federal funding for Arctic research has been in precipitous decline since the mid-1980s, even as the costs of working there have risen. Airfares have more than doubled, while the government agency that is supposed to ensure safe logistics for scientists has had its budget reduced to less than half of 1989 levels, and thus supports less than half as many projects. In Resolute Bay, Nunavut, a building of the Fisheries and Oceans lab is quite literally falling into the sea.

    "Professors are stopping going up, they're not training graduate students," says David Hik, a University of Alberta biologist who holds a Canada research chair in northern ecology. "When we get together, all we talk about is whether we're going to make it another year."

    The dwindling and greying community of Canadian Arctic researchers is rife with anecdotes of having to hitch rides on foreign projects, such as when Norway's government paid to fly the science advisor of the Nunavut Cabinet, Bruce Rigby, to a key overseas gathering of researchers.

    "When we go to international meetings, you pretty much want to put a bag over your head," Dr. Hik says.

    At stake is not simply pride or good science, but political and economic control over the Northwest Passage. When the warming trend in the Western Arctic opens a viable summer shipping route through the Arctic archipelago -- predictions suggest this will be in a matter of years -- international marine law says this route will be an international strait, linking two oceans and thus owned by no country.

    Without a significant research presence or scientific understanding of the region, experts say Canada's desire to make the rules for passing ships will be ignored. Arctic environmental policy will be seen as the business of Japan, Germany and the United States, countries with rich Arctic research programs and powerful economic interests in the shipping route.

    "All of a sudden, we will lose our claim," says Rob Huebert, an expert in marine law at the University of Calgary's Centre for Military and Strategic Studies. Already, Canada has made compliance with our marine environmental regulations voluntary for foreign ships, a decision Dr. Huebert attributes to a fear of appearing to challenge the United States.

    Other countries, some of them entirely south of the Arctic Circle, fund Arctic research at levels up to 15 times more per capita than Canada. Even Italy, a Mediterranean country, has an icebreaker devoted to polar research, while Canada's scientists have been saving their funding pennies and pestering the government to outfit a retired Coast Guard ship, the Franklin, as a research vessel. This project appears to have been grudgingly approved late last year, around the same time Ottawa mothballed an ozone monitoring station at Eureka, on Ellesmere Island.

    Next month, Canada's flagship polar research station, the only one in the high Arctic built specifically for science, will end its charade as a multidisciplinary lab for university researchers. Once the site of top-level research in genetics, linguistics, archaeology and all manner of natural science, the Igloolik research station is now empty but for its director and a minimal local staff.

    The orphan laboratory -- the federal government passed it off to the territorial government in the budget cuts of the late 1980s -- will be passed off once again, this time to host the Nunavut Department of Sustainable Development's polar bear monitoring unit, where local mammals will be studied by government workers.

    A decade ago, however, more than 120 university scientists from every discipline would fly to Igloolik each year to do their field research, and the small bunkhouse would overflow into tent villages down by the shore. Spontaneous co-operation blossomed with the locals, including high school credits for Inuit students who helped on archaeological digs of their ancestors' camps.

    Two years ago, the number of visiting researchers had plummeted to four. Last year, it was two.

    "This is nothing short of a tragedy," says Paul Hebert, a professor of zoology at the University of Guelph and one of the last scientists to work at Igloolik.

    The lab's saving grace is the director's project to document the oral history of the area's Inuit population, but this hardly requires such an elegant facility; it can be done with just a few rooms for interviews and office work.

    Today, the lab's fume hoods are cluttered with empty bottles, some from as far back as 1994. The microscope is covered in plastic and, in a specimen freezer, a funny-looking and dried-out lumpfish sits forgotten next to a jar of jam.




    A few kilometres from the hamlet of Resolute Bay, Nunavut, past the end of the airport runway, in a windswept valley surrounded by low hills, is a little house known to locals as Solar Wind.

    To the U.S. research institute that runs it, SRI International, it is the Early Polar Cap Observatory, the "early" meaning it is only a hint of what it is to become. Washington supports the station under the Arctic Research and Policy Act of 1984, legislation that ensures funding for Arctic research in the long term, for which Canada has no counterpart.

    Inside, more than a dozen computers run throughout the year, recording data from delicate cameras that peer up at the heavens through domed skylights.

    Compared with the Igloolik lab, which looks like a giant white doorknob and won a design award from Canadian Architect magazine, Solar Wind is nondescript. From the outside, it resembles a suburban bungalow more than a research lab, and even the multi-million-dollar equipment inside looks jerry-rigged.

    But the lab is active, and although it is paid for by the United States' National Science Foundation, a government agency, almost half of its projects -- four of 11 -- are Canadian. So, though it is often praised for helping to generate the costly findings of esoteric science, Solar Wind is also seen as an example of the piggybacking forced on Canadian researchers by underfunding.

    In one of the lab's darkened research rooms, with glass bubbles overhead, is the University of Calgary's Auroral All Sky Imager, a fish-eyed camera that detects extremely faint glowing in the sky. Changes in this glow can reveal patterns in how solar wind interacts with the Earth's magnetic field. Brian Jackel, who monitors the device from Calgary, says his goal is to establish an array of such cameras across the Arctic, which would achieve the same results as satellite cameras, which are far more expensive. For this work, the Arctic is a good substitute for space, he said.

    York University also runs an airglow detector here, and the E-Region Wind Instrument, which measures the shifting wavelengths of light from 100 km up in the sky. The University of Western Ontario has radar equipment to keep track of meteors.

    Outside, an array of antennas stretches out across featureless, snow-covered ground, gathering data that would otherwise be out of reach for Canadians.

    A local maintenance staff is on contract to keep the building warm, the computers running and to mail the collected data on compact discs to the various scientists.

    "Without the SRI building it is unlikely that we would have been able to operate our camera at such a northern location," Dr. Jackel says. "It is also free, which is important."

    A similar device, he points out, used to run at the now-closed Eureka lab.




    The high overhead cost of Arctic research is unavoidable. In addition to the machinery scientists need to make their observations, there are the ever-present risk of cost overruns caused by harsh weather and the frequent need for support from Twin Otter aircraft, at prices ranging around $1,000 an hour. All supplies, from food to gasoline, cost about 30% more than in the south, and airfares from southern Canada to the Arctic on the little-travelled routes are more expensive than flying almost anywhere on Earth. A bad, deep-fried meal in a Nunavut restaurant costs $25.

    Of course, it is also very cold most of the year. Resolute Bay, for example, holds its Polar Bear Dip on the August long weekend, and last week, the 200 residents sat out a two-day blizzard with winds up to 90 km/h and temperatures around -65C with the windchill.

    Despite the hardships, Arctic research is popular because of a reputation for being frontier science. Its attractiveness and importance have only grown as climate-change studies reveal the North and South Poles to be global moderators of weather and the first regions to show the effects of pollution.

    Arctic science has many unanswered questions to work on: The archaeology of five millennia is largely untapped; the pre-contact culture of the indigenous population is fading and remains largely undocumented; and wildlife on the land and in the water is rich. But apart from all this, Canada is not managing to adequately monitor the status quo.

    Underfunding has been brought to the government's attention before. In a 1999 report, the Auditor-General criticized Canada's "piecemeal" approach to implementing its obligations in the Arctic, especially those dealing with pollution.

    "There is no overall Northern strategy," the report reads, "to guide federal departments and agencies in fulfilling their science, monitoring and other responsibilities more effectively and efficiently. The absence of a co-ordinating strategy leaves these activities vulnerable to decisions by individual departments that could have detrimental effects in other areas."

    In 2000, the government asked the two major scientific funding agencies, NSERC and SSHRC, to form a joint commission to report on the state of Arctic research.

    To date, the commission's recommendations, such as establishing 12 senior and 12 junior research chairs in Arctic science, have not been implemented (there are six senior chairs), and only one-eighth of the recommended $25-million funding level has been provided.

    The number of expeditions in Nunavut, which include the high Arctic regions, has fallen by 25% over the last six years.

    Tom Hutchinson, a professor of environment and resource studies at Trent University and the author of the commission's report, says the funding climate has become even worse since he studied it in detail.

    "It's downright embarrassing," he laments. "We're the worst, along with the Russians. I can understand their failure but not ours."

    He said polar bear research is generally well-supported, in part because they are seen as "cute," despite being vicious. Birds fare less well, and archaeology is "not even on the radar," he said.

    Late last year, the Arctic Stratospheric Ozone Observatory (ASTRO), which was established near the Eureka military station by Environment Canada in the early 1990s because of worry about the thinning ozone layer, was mothballed for an annual savings of $300,000.

    Kimberly Strong, an associate professor of physics at the University of Toronto who ran one of the monitoring devices there -- a grating spectrometer -- said she may try to move her equipment to the U.S. lab at Resolute Bay, although the location, farther from the pole, is less suited to the delicate measurements.

    In the United States, the federal government guarantees support for Arctic research over the long term and is approaching US$300-million a year.

    In Canada, there is no such guarantee, and funding sits at less than $7-million. Per capita, that means the United States spends roughly five times what Canada does studying the Arctic, and much of that money is spent on Canadian soil. This ratio is even higher in comparisons with Sweden, Germany and Denmark.

    "The Danes have also developed some lovely research facilities and have provisioned them with proper boats," says Dr. Hebert, the University of Guelph professor. "Meanwhile, we work out of canoes and Zodiacs and bring our specimens back to a lab that is ready to fall into the ocean." Since helicopters ceased to be available, Dr. Hebert says he has abandoned his Arctic zoological projects out of concerns for safety.

    "Igloolik and Inuvik [Canada's two multidisciplinary labs] are pretty much moribund in terms of modern facilities," Dr. Hutchinson says.

    Other minor Canadian stations are neglected and decaying, and the only Western Arctic base of the Polar Continental Shelf Project (PCSP) at Tuktoyaktuk, which provides crucial logistics support for science, has been closed since 1997. Just like the Igloolik lab, no one could afford to use it.

    Meanwhile, the PCSP's budget fell to $3.4-million this year, down from $7.4-million in 1989.

    The PCSP has two other stations, the main one at Resolute Bay, which has a lab and a bunkhouse, and another station in disrepair at Eureka. The PCSP's director, Bonni Hrycyk, said nearly half of all Canadian Arctic research trips go through Resolute Bay, with its 37 all-terrain vehicles and 32 snowmobiles.

    Hrycyk says improved scientific equipment has enabled more remote data gathering and has thus reduced the need for expensive on-site analysis.

    For the Canadians forced to appeal to SRI International for research space, however, it hardly helps to know that nearby, on Devon Island, NASA runs a multi-million-dollar project each summer to simulate life on Mars. The Flashline Mars Arctic Research Station has been around for seven years, so locals are accustomed to the sight of NASA Hummers driving through town, students in space suits and cargo planes dropping off insectoid landing pods designed for living on the Red Planet.

    Marc Boucher, president of the Mars Society Canada, jokes about the time a parachute failed to open during an airdrop of a crate containing food and a construction crane. The impact destroyed most of the contents, but for the U.S. researchers -- so well-supported that they fly out their urine to protect the integrity of their soil analysis -- a replacement was on its way within hours. For Canadians, such an accident could scuttle a season's plans.

    Last month, in the lead-up to next week's federal budget, a group of 42 Arctic researchers, including five fellows of the Royal Society of Canada, petitioned the Prime Minister. They hand-delivered a letter asking the government of Jean Chretien to put in place the commission's recommendations, and argued, among other things, that the failure to do so has far greater consequences than embarrassment to scientists.

    Arctic scientists cannot afford to train the students who are to become their successors, they said. Some leave the field, others leave the country.

    This week, Mary Ellen Thomas, Nunavut's science administrator, arrived in Ottawa to hand out scholarships to the undergraduates who applied to work in the North. Of the $1.2-million in requests, about half is available: $635,000, a number that does not go very far and has stayed static for years, she says.

    A major complaint among scientists is that, even if the funding floodgates were to open tomorrow, Arctic research in Canada has been so thoroughly compromised that there would be too few qualified students to take up the work.

    "There's a lot of pessimism about," Dr. Hutchinson says.
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    • part 2
      Britain transferred sovereignty over the Arctic islands to Canada 13 years after Confederation, in 1880, and except for a few misunderstandings with the United States and a payout to a Norwegian explorer, the claim has remained unchallenged. But since the Cold War ended, it is all but unenforced.

      The exceptions include the Canadian Rangers, a motley band of Inuit reservists, who last year made a patrol to the magnetic North Pole, which is slowly leaving Canadian waters. They planted a flag, had a celebratory satellite phone conversation with the Prime Minister, then left.

      On maps, the islands of the high Arctic are Canadian and make up half the nation's landmass with two-thirds of its shoreline. Only 1% of the population lives there, some of whom have been strategically placed for sovereignty purposes.

      As far back as 1953, Prime Minister Louis St. Laurent's Cabinet worried about the "de facto exercise of U.S. sovereignty ... [that] would present risks of misunderstandings, incidents and infringements on the exercise of Canadian sovereignty."

      That year, at the Cold War listening post of Resolute Bay on Cornwallis Island, 200 or so Inuit from Northern Quebec were dropped off to make a life for themselves. With a human presence there, it was thought, sovereignty could be rightly claimed and enforced over the barren islands.

      But sovereignty requires more than mere presence and goes deeper than a flag pole, as the government has since acknowledged.

      The Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade has issued a policy statement, "The Northern Dimension of Canada's Foreign Policy," which states: "No country, except possibly Russia, has more at stake in the far-sighted management of circumpolar relations than Canada ... our future security and prosperity are closely linked with our ability to manage complex northern issues."

      The NSERC/SSHRC report goes farther, saying: "A Canadian research presence in the North is an essential assertion of our sovereignty."

      A tactic of the military, whose presence in the North has been scaled back since the days of listening for Soviet planes and submarines around Baffin Island, has been to promote Arctic science to make sure there is a working infrastructure of monitoring devices. Then, should political circumstances warrant missile detection systems or submarine radar, the project will not be insurmountable.

      In the case of the Northwest Passage -- which is the name for any one of a number of routes over the top of North America -- Canadian sovereignty is not entrenched in law and is indeed threatened by competing economic interests. A viable passage would cut days off the trip between Japan and Europe, and ease American reliance on the Panama Canal.

      Marine law says the Northwest Passage joins two international bodies of water and is thus an international strait. This policy dates back to a 1949 decision about the Strait of Corfu, in the Mediterranean, which said international straits are to be defined by both geography and function; they must join international waters and be navigable.

      Canada has long maintained that pack ice makes a Northwest Passage unnavigable, but all science indicates this claim is weakening. The ice over the Arctic Ocean is thinning and the period in the summer with open water is getting longer.

      Canada claims the Arctic islands, and thus the waters among them as judged by a straight-line, "headland-to-headland" mapping. If the passage opens soon -- and many countries are betting that it will -- Canada might find itself powerless to regulate passing ships.

      "Technically, the International Court of Justice will not look at your science budgets," says Dr. Huebert of the University of Calgary, who has written extensively on marine sovereignty in the Arctic. However, "it sends the worst possible message to anyone interested in challenging that sovereignty."

      Japan maintains an extensive scientific presence in the Canadian Arctic, studying glaciers and the movement of sea ice. Dr. Huebert thinks Japan could present stronger arguments than Canada at any hearing on how best to manage shipping routes through the Northwest Passage, and would not have as strong a concern as Ottawa for the protection of the waters and shore.

      Beyond opening Canada's Arctic shores to shipping pollution and the threat of oil spills, "we probably will lose our international claim," Dr. Huebert says.




      John MacDonald has always worked far from home.

      Born in Scotland and raised in Africa, he became manager of a Hudson's Bay Company outpost as a young man, trading ammunition for fur pelts with the Inuit around Spence Bay.

      He went on to cut his teeth as an anthropologist among the headhunters of the Amazon, and is now director of the Igloolik research station and an authority on the traditional knowledge of Inuit elders.

      He is also at the vanguard of what Bruce Rigby, science advisor to the Cabinet of Nunavut, calls a change of thinking in Arctic research.

      Gone are the heady days of the 1970s and early 1980s, he said, when Arctic research meant big labs, lots of money and support, little accountability and only minimal co-operation with locals.

      Mary Ellen Thomas of the Nunavut Research Institute calls these scientists, many of whom are now past their days of field work, "the Gentlemen Explorers."

      The new ideal, which Macdonald embodies, is to use locals as observers and as repositories of information, and for researchers to live and work in the Arctic in collaboration with the Inuit.

      MacDonald's team study of Inuit knowledge, which he describes as a continuum compared with Western scientific "compartmentalization," has already shown the two knowledges to be complementary. In a study of fish interbreeding, for example, it was shown that Arctic char and lake trout can mate. Inuit elders knew this, but southern biologists were not convinced until they recorded it themselves.

      The shift in thinking has come about partly because of stricter ethical requirements on modern research, which force co-operation with aboriginal peoples. In large part, though, it is because the new paradigm is cheaper.

      The irony, Rigby says, is that insecure funding has bred a "me, me, me, mine, mine, mine" mentality among Canadian researchers, who in turn shun necessary co-operation -- even with wealthy foreigners -- for fear of losing control over their "research fiefdoms." The result is projects of narrow scope, whereas the U.S. teams, keen to collaborate, tackle larger projects.

      The gentlemen explorers do not concur.

      "What Bruce [Rigby] is forgetting is that much of the expertise lies in certain southern institutions," Dr. Hutchinson says.

      Dr. Hik, the University of Alberta biologist, says Canadians are often forced to trade access to their databases for the bare necessities of transportation and shelter, which compromises their control over the direction of research.

      "That's not to say Canadians shouldn't have international partners," he adds. "But we're very much tourists on all of these ventures now, in our own country."




      The Igloolik lab, built in 1975 when Jean Chretien was Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development, illustrates why the old thinking will not work in the current funding climate.

      "I think if you were to propose building such a thing now, you'd be taken out and shot at dawn," MacDonald speculates. The design, while elegant, is hardly energy-efficient, and the station leaks heat from its many windows.

      The lab has not been able to attract southern visitors with a research budget to spend, MacDonald says, so it has focused instead on the community. The effort has been largely successful.

      Nunavut has declared that MacDonald's specialty, the traditional knowledge known as Inuit Qaujumajatuquangit, IQ for short, will be the basis for future government decisions.

      Despite this good intention, though, MacDonald heads the only organized effort to interview and document the knowledge of Inuit elders, who remember a nomadic lifestyle and who are quickly dying off.

      The Igloolik lab's library is filled with years worth of recorded and transcribed interviews, on everything from fishing to clothing to shamanism, for which the interviewed elders were paid a nominal $50 fee.

      Louis Tapardjuk, who runs the traditional knowledge component of the Nunavut Social Development Council, said he regrets the change in direction for the lab, primarily because of the positive effect visiting scientists had on local high school students.

      "If the students from Igloolik want to do some further studies, does it mean they will have to go somewhere else where they have the facilities? They had that opportunity with the research centre," he says.

      On the archaeological digs of nearby ancient camp-sites, on which Inuit students were taught the basics of archaeology, "they not only learned about their past, but they also learned other necessities to advance for their education: math and mapping, etc.," Tapardjuk says. The students went on to do the surveying for their own baseball diamond.

      There is more archaeology to be done, however, and more genetics, linguistics and botany. Monitoring the Arctic air and water is of special concern, given Canada's implementation of the Kyoto Protocol. In all of this science, Canada is a bit player, and often a burden to its colleagues on the Arctic Council, an intergovernmental group that promotes safe stewardship of the Arctic. The council obliges its members to be vigilant over their Arctic regions, but Canada has failed to live up to this standard.

      The ageing population of Canadian Arctic researchers, and the graduate students who want to take their place, have already petitioned the Prime Minister to enact the recommendations of a three-year-old federal report.

      Next week, when the government delivers its budget, they will get their answer. Hopes are not high.

      jbrean@nationalpost.com © Copyright 2003 National Post
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      • More funding for scientific research in the north.

        Building useless military bases in the north.
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        • Useless according to whom?
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          • Useless according to anyone who has more than a basic understanding of the Canadian Armed Forces.
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            • It is a familiar theme. You agree that the forces need more money, manpower, and purpose. Yet everytime the Tories seek to deliver these things it is the stupidest idea you have ever heard.

              One begins to think you want to shoot the messenger.
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              • Marine landing ships, that could carry troops and transport (helicopters) to trouble spots become aircraft carriers. As if you think Harper wants to buy the America.

                Heavy lift aircraft are 'too expensive', and a waste.

                A major presence in the Arctic, and ships that can go anywhere in that realm, anytime, are 'useless according to anyone who has more than a basic understanding of the Canadian Armed Forces.'

                Tell me. What understanding of said forces leads you to dismiss any and all attempts to build them up to be able to tackle roles that are currently beyond their capabilities?

                You have some sort of understanding of defeatism?

                You understand that what we have is all we should ever want to have, but maybe with new berets, and perhaps a slap on the bottom in congratulations?
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                • The reason it is so easy to spot the flaws in Harper's defence plan is because it is full of holes.

                  Canada has a limited amount of money that it can spend on the military and that money must be used wisely. The Conservatives would squander the money on white elephants.

                  It's hard to take them seriously when they fail to realize that a city like Winnipeg has a major military base, the HQ for Air Command, or that there are reg force bases and personnel in Toronto.

                  You talk about "marine landing ships" yet those ships would not be able to land marines (meaning on ship to shore boats). If you're talking about ships that can carry troops and helicopters, we already have two of those and the Liberals have allocated money to buy more.

                  The Conservative plan was vague and they talk talked about mini aircraft carriers.

                  Even if we use your definition, the idea is still foolish. A combat-capable helicopter landing ship would require support ships that Canada does not have. It is also not needed.

                  The Armed Forces are buying transport aircraft, yet the Conservatives want to buy aircraft that are not cost-effective and are not necessary given the new aircraft on order.

                  Building another military base in the Arctic just so we can wave the flag and say "I see you" is stupid.

                  What the forces need are things like: More troops so that we can fulfill existing duties and more Command-Control-Communication equipment.
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                  • Tingkai, do you think we should have a presence in our arctic? Do you think our northern presence is adequate?
                    How do you propose we show our sovernty (sorry about the spelling), in the arctic when simple diplomacy is not adequate?
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                    • Originally posted by Tingkai
                      Useless according to anyone who has more than a basic understanding of the Canadian Armed Forces.
                      Ok got it.

                      Even though there are predictions that a Northwest pasage could be feasible in just a couple of years, Canada has no need for ANY naval presence at all in the north. After all its only what, two-thirds of the coastline.

                      Sorry Tingkai but that just seems unacceptable. The land and naval area up there is massive and if it becomes more navigable, we should be there. We should be able to maintain a presence as long or longer than anyone.

                      Now 9 billion?? A small naval resupply station would not need to cost that much but perhaps if you want an ice-strengthened frigate or two, thats the cost of doing business.

                      As for an understanding of our armed forces-- everyone acknowledges that there is very scant chance that anyone will attack us. So some primary focuses for the forces will be peacekeeping, offshore patrolling, disaster readiness and yes sovereignty matters.

                      The Arctic remains largely an unknown, with potential for great resources and wealth. We claim it and we should be doing more about it. . . . and thats the case whoever happens to be in government. I don't care whether the specifics of Harper's defense plan are implemented . . . but we should be doing more --- and to me in a huge expanse of interconnected straits, that means a naval capability.
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                      • The very concept of sovereignty requires some sort of Canadian presence in the arctic. It is one thing to say that the arctic is not worth the time or effort to make something useful. If you believe that Canada is better off without the arctic, then that makes more sense then to say the area is valuable but we don't need to do anything to develop it.

                        There are an enormous amount of resources up there, and if Canada wants a stake in them, then we are going to have to at least attempt to build things up there.
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                        • As for the forces based in the cities, it's a measure aimed at having some presence on the mainland of BC. Currently all we have is the base out at Comox, and the navy at Esquimault.
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                          • Folks, we have a miliary presence in the Arctic. We have military bases. We have aircraft that do patrols. We can send warships north, accompanied by icebreakers. We can send subs.

                            Our soverignty is not dictated by warships, but by international law and that law, according to the article posted by NYE, says that if the Northwest Passage becomes navigable then it would be considered an international strait. We would not have a legal right to blockade the passage, nor could we every have the military might to enforce a blockade.

                            We have Canadian civilians living in the north and
                            their presence stakes our claim. More than that, we have a recognized border.


                            Originally posted by Flubber
                            Even though there are predictions that a Northwest pasage could be feasible in just a couple of years, Canada has no need for ANY naval presence at all in the north.
                            Once the Northwest Passage become navigable, then we will be able to send our existing ships through it, with our existing icebreakers providing support where necessary.

                            But this fixation on a naval presence overlooks the fact that we can send the Aurora aircraft to do patrols. If necessary, we can send CF-18s to the north, although there wouldn't be much point.

                            The Conservatives have an out-dated early 20th-century approach to defence.

                            We could build a carrier battle group and put it in the north, and it would have the same effect as a row boat, unless you are willing to start a war.

                            If someone were to challenge us, then we would have a war, but no one would attack us because we are a member of NATO. And if someone decided to attack us, then we could mobilize for war.

                            To spend billions of dollars now to defend us against a threat that does not exist is simply ridiculous.

                            Originally posted by Flubber
                            A small naval resupply station would not need to cost that much but perhaps if you want an ice-strengthened frigate or two, thats the cost of doing business.
                            Why do you think a couple of frigates would make a difference? What could they do other than fly the flag, which we can already do.

                            You're still talking about spending money and resources to accomplish nothing more than what we already have.
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                            • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
                              As for the forces based in the cities, it's a measure aimed at having some presence on the mainland of BC. Currently all we have is the base out at Comox, and the navy at Esquimault.
                              And those bases are there because of military necessity. There is no need to build an new army base in B.C.

                              Harper's plan will simply waste money on a white elephant without improving our military abilities and strengths.
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                              • Part of the purpose of the Forces is to lend aid to civil powers in cases of disaster or unrest. Aid in BC is very far away, with the Patricias in Edmonton being the closest major organization of infantry.

                                Oh, and an Air Force HQ means about squat on this topic. I think the people stationed there have relatively important jobs to do, on top of the fact that they lack the training, organization, and equipment to be of much use to the people of Toronto in the case of a need for grunts and boots on the ground.

                                As for the importance of a presence in the North, you seem to be the only one who thinks that it is unimportant. Part of the situation with Hans Island is that our navy can't get there year round, but feel free to continue to ignore recent and current events while you bash Tories.
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