Arnold must decide if killer is executed

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Dis
that's bull****. Because the crips operate inside my city. therefore it is my business what goes on in California.

And his death makes your city safer from the Crips HOW?

[Dis]

Originally posted by Ted Striker


And his death makes your city safer from the Crips HOW?

It's a deterrant. Yes we know everyone uses it as revenge. But I feel it has a minor deterrant effect.

You can't prove that his death does not make my city safer.

In any case, what effect his death has no relation to his sentence. He was given a sentence, and I expect it to be carried out. Regardless of the consequences.

[RGBVideo]

Europeans are crazy.

QFT

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Dis


It's a deterrant. Yes we know everyone uses it as revenge. But I feel it has a minor deterrant effect.

You can't prove that his death does not make my city safer.

In any case, what effect his death has no relation to his sentence. He was given a sentence, and I expect it to be carried out. Regardless of the consequences.

If you're crazy enough to kill someone considering the punishment of dying versus getting locked up for life hardly enters into the equation.


What's ironic is that there is a bill going in for review January that will pause the death penalty in California while it is up for review as to whether to continue it or not.

Tookie's murder will pretty much give this bill the attention it needs. He may even be the last man to be executed here.

Congratulations, you blood thirsty bastards just created a martyr.

[Dis]

ha, yeah right. If he was a martyr they'd be rioting today. No one gave a **** about that piece of human scum except for a few ill-informed celebrities who just have to be in the spotlight.

[Dinner]

The people who claimed he had been rehabilitated are either liars or completely ignorant of the facts. Tookie reportedly continued to hold a leadership position in the Crips gang ordering informants stabbed to death and was himself found to have had a "shank" or home made knife in his cell. He repeatedly assualted guards and other prisoners nor did he ever agree to help authorities break the crips gang nor testify against his fellow gang members even when they offered to reduce his sentence if he did.

The people who claimed Tookie was not a threat to society or that he was redeemed by writting a children's book are simply wrong.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Ted Striker

If you're crazy enough to kill someone considering the punishment of dying versus getting locked up for life hardly enters into the equation.

Most of these gang members aren't murdering people out of passion. They're making a cold blooded judgement to kill someone in order to make money via control of the drug trade or other illegal activities. Sure, not everyone will be detered but even if just one person is detered from doing what Tookie did because of Tookie's death then the execution does have a deterent effect.

[Dis]

and I believe death does deter some of them. Though not Tookie. He seemed pretty calm last night. Getting locked up is nothing for these guys. They keep their status even while in prison. In fact most don't get any respect until they've done some time.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Flubber
Irrespective of my views on the death penalty, I really have never liked the concept of a governor's pardon. It, to me, appears to politicize the penalty in a specific case. I think that the punishment for any given individual should be determined by the courts.

He doesn't get to decide to kill someone the courts didn't want to. He gets to deliver mercy where it might be deserved. It is a good system if one is to have a DP.

[FrostyBoy]

Death Penalty means nothing to gang members. They basically live to die; everyday, waking up, hoping they don't get killed by some enemy.


We should make use of them; test experiments is a good one.

Examples,
1. What REALLY happens when a human is floating in space?

2. What happens when a human travels at the speed of sound without any protection?

3. How strong is the skull against a variety of bullets?


Another way to punish them is to humiliate them. Dress them up in ballet suit and make them walk down main streets doing a ballet dance.

Making people do stuff they don't want to do is worse than the death penalty. Humiliation is an awesome power and the bible is not against it

[Dis]

Originally posted by Sn00py
Death Penalty means nothing to gang members. They basically live to die; everyday, waking up, hoping they don't get killed by some enemy.


We should make use of them; test experiments is a good one.

Examples,
1. What REALLY happens when a human is floating in space?

2. What happens when a human travels at the speed of sound without any protection?

3. How strong is the skull against a variety of bullets?


Another way to punish them is to humiliate them. Dress them up in ballet suit and make them walk down main streets doing a ballet dance.

Making people do stuff they don't want to do is worse than the death penalty. Humiliation is an awesome power and the bible is not against it

yes but the constitution is.

edit: I screwed up the name. . I meant Madison

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Grandpa Troll
Im sure he didnt ask them folks he killed if they were ready or if they deserved a second chance and would they llike their death sentence convened to a Lifes sentence, nope pretty sure he didnt

But is it true that he was convicted solely on accomplice testimony?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Dis
Do you guys not know what he said to the jury when he was convicted? This is recorded by the court stenographer.

No. What did he say?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by snoopy369
hehe

I'm highly disturbed by the local media coverage of this (Chicago). Basically it has been "Stan might not be guilty", and not "This guy is responsible for dozens of murders and helped found one of the biggest gangs out there". Reformed or not, he committed horrible crimes against L.A. and this nation, and deserves to be punished.

Isn't association a right, and not a DP crime?

I think the crux of the issue is whether he was guilty of the crimes he was convicted of beyond a doubt that goes beyond what your courts consider, and did he ever express remorse beyond writing a couple of books.

[MosesPresley]

Originally posted by Ted Striker

Congratulations, you blood thirsty bastards just created a martyr.

One of the best ways to show people killing is wrong is to kill people.