Election 2005

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


How do you know you'd get more money when you sell your stock if the corporation didn't give to DeLay? Stock prices rise and fall based on supply and demand, which looks to the amount of profits and not at how those profits are used.

IS, youve never taken a course in corporate finance theory, have you? Ever hear of Modigliani and Miller?

Stock prices are based on the NPV of the expected stream of future cash flows. If retained earnings are invested in negative NPV projects, instead of positive NPV projects, that will impact stock valuation. That is why, BTW, when management invests in enough to neg NPV projects to depress the stock price, there is often a takeover attempt.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Wycoff
The thing that interested me in this election were the claims that the Democrats want in-state tuition for illegal aliens. I'm a Maryland resident, but I attend a Virginia public school. (Virginia has some of the best public universities in the country). I've paid tens of thousands of dollars more in tuition than the Virginians simply because my I was born and raised 40 miles outside of the Virginia borders. I'll be beyond enraged if illegals become eligible for in-state tuition. I don't think it will happen even with the Kaine victory, but it was an issue that definately made me wary of Kaine and Byrne.

And thankfully it doesn't matter since you don't vote in VA elections. If your opinion mattered, you'd be eligible.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Ramo
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AFAIK, VA does not have an income tax.

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Damn, I deserve HUGE refund then

first i fire that f***ing accountant, though.

[Ramo]

My mistake . Generalizing from red states... Nonetheless, illegal immigrants rarely make enough to qualify for significant income taxes. I assume that the same's true in VA.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Ramo
AFAIK, VA does not have an income tax.

This is incorrect.

EDIT: beaten by lotm

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Ramo
My mistake . Generalizing from red states...

Well now I need to demand a refund.

[Wycoff]

Originally posted by Ramo

That's complete bull****, and not the justification behind instate tuition anyway. The difference is that if my parents lived in Virginia, they'd be paying any and all Virginia taxes, be on the Virginian jury rolls, and do all the other civic obligations.

Illegal immigrants pay sales taxes, tolls, and excise taxes. They also pay property taxes, when renting (as is almost always the case with illegal immigrants).

So do I. I'm also paying any tax taken from payrolls, because I'm a legal employee (whereas most illegals are getting paid under the table) Why don't I get in state tuition? You're also assuming that these illegals are renting under otherwise normal conditions and not making under the table, tax free bargains with landowners, an assumption that is false in many circumstances.

AFAIK, VA does not have an income tax.

Yes it does. Here's the form

Virginia Income Tax Form

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Ramo
My mistake . Generalizing from red states... Nonetheless, illegal immigrants rarely make enough to qualify for significant income taxes. I assume that the same's true in VA.

States without income tax: Alaska, Florida, Nevada, New Hampshire, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Washington, Wyoming..

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Wycoff


So do I. I'm also paying any tax taken from payrolls, because I'm a legal employee (whereas most illegals are getting paid under the table) Why don't I get in state tuition? You're also assuming that these illegals are renting under otherwise normal conditions and not making under the table, tax free bargains with landowners, an assumption that is false in many circumstances.

Renters dont pay prop taxes per se. They pay rent to a landlord, who pays property taxes. Nothing a side bargain can do to avoid prop taxes (unless its a side bargain involving the tax assessor )

[Kuciwalker]

Wycoff: you don't vote in Virginia. You aren't a citizen or a resident. Don't whine about what we choose to do with our education system - if you don't like it, go to university in your own state.

[Wycoff]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker And thankfully it doesn't matter since you don't vote in VA elections. If your opinion mattered, you'd be eligible.

Thankfully, it will matter soon. I don't live in the 5 bathroom house that some of you spoiled NoVA punks take for granted. I came from a single bathroom house, and I get angry when rich leftists disply their "noblesse oblige" in a way that screws me over.

[Wycoff]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Wycoff: you don't vote in Virginia. You aren't a citizen or a resident. Don't whine about what we choose to do with our education system - if you don't like it, go to university in your own state.

Nor are the illegals, yet you want to cut them a break that you are unwilling to give to out of staters. Besides, out of staters add more to Virginia schools than the in staters. The state should be thaning us for raising their academic credentials rather than penalizing us.

[Kuciwalker]

Thankfully, it will matter soon.

At which point you'll be eligible for said tuition.

I don't live in the 5 bathroom house that some of you spoiled NoVA punks take for granted. I came from a single bathroom house, and I get angry when rich leftists disply their "noblesse oblige" in a way that screws me over.

It's our state, so if you don't like it go to university in your own.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Wycoff
Nor are the illegals, yet you want to cut them a break that you are unwilling to give to out of staters.

1) They live here, more than a college student who could move anywhere in the country when he's done lives here.

2) Illegals are way more likely to need in-state tuition than a citizen.

3) It's our state, we can do what we want with it. Once more, if you don't like it, no on forced you to come here.

[Wycoff]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker It's our state, so if you don't like it go to university in your own.

It's not the illegals state, either. In fact, it's more "my state" than it is theirs. I've consistenly been here contributing for six years. Have they? I don't really mind paying out of state tuition, so long as the rules are consistently applied. This is a case in which the standards are not being consistently applied.