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Originally posted by Ramo
They graduated from VA high schools. If you spent half of every year in Mexico, that'd be rather difficult.
They graduated from VA high schools. If you spent half of every year in Mexico, that'd be rather difficult.
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That's another thing you're just assuming away. There's no guarantee that they graduated from VA high schools, nor that they even graduated from high school at all. I know an illegal immigrant student here that didn't graduate from high school. Administrators trying to show how socially aware they are tend to be a little lax when enforcing guidelines and restrictions that they find unjust.I'm about to get aroused from watching the pokemon and that's awesome. - Pekka -
It's not a red herring. You were implying that their material conditions are just fine and dandy. No money from FAFSA is a big deal."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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That's another thing you're just assuming away.
No, I'm not. That's part of the law. I said that like five times in this thread."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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No I wasn't; it's blindingly obvious that having less to pay makes tuition easier to pay. Be that as it may, it has ABSOLUTELY NO BEARING on whether or not they get in state tution. The richest Virginian and the poorest Virginian have the same tuition.Originally posted by Ramo
It's not a red herring. You were implying that their material conditions are just fine and dandy. No money from FAFSA is a big deal.I'm about to get aroused from watching the pokemon and that's awesome. - PekkaComment
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Will it be enforced? I have my doubts.Originally posted by Ramo
No, I'm not. That's part of the law. I said that like five times in this thread.I'm about to get aroused from watching the pokemon and that's awesome. - PekkaComment
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Why wouldn't it be? It's not that hard to fax a hs transcript.
UT lost my hs transcript a while back, and had me go to my hs and have them fax it before I could register for classes."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Administrators trying to show how socially aware they are tend to be a little lax when enforcing guidelines and restrictions that they find unjust.I'm about to get aroused from watching the pokemon and that's awesome. - PekkaComment
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IOW, you're making **** up."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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No, just going from personal experience.Originally posted by Ramo
IOW, you're making **** up.
Anyway, could you please provide a link to the law you keep citing.I'm about to get aroused from watching the pokemon and that's awesome. - PekkaComment
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What personal experience? Specifics, please.
In 2001, California and Texas were the first states to enact legislation allowing in-state tuition for undocumented immigrants. New York and Utah followed suit in 2002. In 2003 and 2004, Washington, Oklahoma, Illinois and Kansas enacted similar legislation. Legislators in 18 states (Arizona, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Kansas, Massachusetts, Maryland, Minnesota, New Jersey, Nebraska, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oregon, Rhode Island, Washington, & Wisconsin) have debated bills with comparable criteria for eligibility. The enacted state legislation generally requires that students have resided in the state for three years, graduated from a state high school, received notification of acceptance to a public college or university and signed an affidavit stating they will file for legal immigration status.
"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Ignoring the general proposition that illegals who have successfully been in the US for years probably know how to get around or "work" the system or else they wouldn't have been able to stay here as long as they have( a debateable statement, but one that has at least some veracity IMO) I do have personal experience with this.Originally posted by Ramo
What personal experience? Specifics, please.
I have a friend here who is an illegal. She came as an exchange student from Kazakhstan when she was 16. When her legal stay was up, she decided to apply for college, despite the fact that she hadn't graduated from high school in Kazakhstan or in the US. She had an interview with admissions, and explained away the lack of proper paperwork or diploma as some administrative screw up. She was admitted.
The school kept checking up on her each semester. Each semester she'd have another excuse. Finally in Junior year, out of excuses, she was forced to admit that she was an illegal and that she hadn't graduated from highschool. The administration did nothing. She graduated in 2004. Not knowing what else to do, she applied for a graduate program here at the college. Not only was she woefully unqualified for the program ("C" Average, didn't do well on the GRE), the administration knew that she was illegal and that her parents lived in Kazakhstan. Nonetheless, she was admitted to the program.
This girl also procured a drivers liscense by going to the DMV while wearing a shirt with our college's logo, making an excuse to the average worker, asking to see the manager, claiming that she was a college student that had lost her papers, and then weeping when the manager began to express doubt. The DMV manager bought the sob story and gave her a driver's liscense without any documentation whatsoever, and he did this simply because she wore a college shirt and cried.
Needless to say that I don't have much faith when it comes to programs saying that they'll be strict with their documentation requirements after my experiences with this girl.Last edited by Wycoff; November 9, 2005, 15:00.I'm about to get aroused from watching the pokemon and that's awesome. - PekkaComment
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Her HS was in Kazakhstan, not VA. It's rediculously more easy to get a transcript from VA. As I said, UT forced me to get a transcript from my hs after they lost it before I could register for classes.
And having DMV ID is not easy. You need three forms in TX. It can be a real pain. Again, a totally different thing from getting a high school transcript from the same state.
If you believe that in the vast majority of cases, schools wouldn't bother getting a hs transcript from the same damn state, you're totally deluded. They're far less likely to not get a hs transcript from the same state, than to not verify a student's legal status.
The bottom line is that people being admitted to a real school without a hs transcript is not a frequent occurence, especially when the claimed hs is from the same state, to understate things."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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She had just spent an entire year in a Virginia high school, one that was right down the street from the college... you'd think that someone somewhere would have kept some kind of record, and that the administration would have looked for those records if they really cared.Originally posted by Ramo
Her HS was in Kazakhstan, not VA.I'm about to get aroused from watching the pokemon and that's awesome. - PekkaComment
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Why would the VA high school necessarily keep her original high's school record years after she graduated (assuming that they got one)?
As I just pointed out, UT managed to actually lose my hs transcript a year or two into my stay here."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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1. She didn't graduate from the Virginia high school, nor did she graduate from the Kazak school. I assume that the VA highschool received some records from her old school prior to her arrival.Originally posted by Ramo
Why would the VA high school necessarily keep her original high's school record years after she graduated (assuming that they got one)? Seems pretty damn pointless to me.
2. The college initially asked for her records the September after she had left that high school. I assume that most schools keep records for more than 2 or 3 months.
Besides, that still doesn't answer the question of why they admitted her into the grad program after they knew about these things.I'm about to get aroused from watching the pokemon and that's awesome. - PekkaComment
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