Retitled: Modern philosophers are full of it!

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by GePap
Sadly, in the long term, its certainly better than pay scales out of college, which is the kind of crap Asher uses.

No it's not.

Aggie contributes nothing to society, really. Even as a group they contribute very little. Computer scientists and electrical engineers have, on the other hand, created a massive economic revolution.

[Imran Siddiqui]

No it's not.

I'm sure there are plenty of middle management types who have made a ****load more than, say, Nelson Mandela. Who is more valuable?

[MrFun]

Yeah . . . . . .

philosophers who articulated well-reasoned arguments for such frivulous ideas as liberty, natural rights and such are to be frowned upon, and spat at as a waste of time and money.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


No it's not.

Aggie contributes nothing to society, really. Even as a group they contribute very little. Computer scientists and electrical engineers have, on the other hand, created a massive economic revolution.

Actually, the tech people go nowhere without the business people, so in fact, the techies simply invented things that then the business gys decided might make them money.

An investion is meaningless unless someone sees the value, and then pours in the resources. So in the totem pole, the techies, unless they are savy business people themselves, are bellow the idea men, and those idea men are not engineers 90-95% of the time.

And what does Aggie contribute? Most of those business types were either social science or humanities majors of some type, and people like Aggie are the ones trying to train them to think out of the box.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by GePap
those idea men are not engineers 90-95% of the time

Wow.

BAM

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

No it's not.

I'm sure there are plenty of middle management types who have made a ****load more than, say, Nelson Mandela. Who is more valuable?

When did I bring up pay?

And the fair comparison is all engineers versus all philosophers - or else I'll pose to you, who was more valuable, Nelson Mandela or the three scientists who invented the transistor?

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by GePap
And what does Aggie contribute? Most of those business types were either social science or humanities majors of some type, and people like Aggie are the ones trying to train them to think out of the box.

If what you say is true I fear for our future

[Imran Siddiqui]

When did I bring up pay?

GePap said how well you are known in the long term is more important than pay scales outs of college and you said "No its not".

Which means that you think payscales out of college is greater than how well you are known, unless you misinterpreted GePap's statements.

And the fair comparison is all engineers versus all philosophers

Not when you are comparing pay scales out of college to how well you are known in the long run.

[Flip McWho]

Because of course how well known you are is a wonderful measure of your value to society...

Well its definitely a good measure of how important what you came up with is to society. Ideas last (just look at religions, christianity has been around for centuries), technologies and tools change and get replaced. Value to society is a pretty meaningless concept anyways. Remembrance is the only thing that can prove how you influenced the world in the long run.

[Asher]

Originally posted by GePap


Actually, the tech people go nowhere without the business people, so in fact, the techies simply invented things that then the business gys decided might make them money.

The best are the hybrids.

Which philosopher began the "Information Age"?

It's time to stop living in the past.

And what does Aggie contribute? Most of those business types were either social science or humanities majors of some type, and people like Aggie are the ones trying to train them to think out of the box.

Exhibit A: Carly Fiornia, Philosopher extraordinaire and destroyer of tech empires.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Flip McWho
Well its definitely a good measure of how important what you came up with is to society.

It's not, though, it heavily biases "public" fields such as politics (which heavily relates to philosophy).

Few people can name the inventor of the microchip or the integrated circuit or the digital computation machine or the internet, but they are innovations that have revolutionized the world.

Someone like Neil Armstrong will be more famous than the team of engineers who actually put his ass on the moon.

[Asher]

Originally posted by MrFun
Yeah . . . . . .

philosophers who articulated well-reasoned arguments for such frivulous ideas as liberty, natural rights and such are to be frowned upon, and spat at as a waste of time and money.

Which modern philosophy student came up with the idea of liberty and natural rights?

Someone is having problems differenciating modern philosophers (as in, the twirps who major in Philosophy and then get their McJobs) from the philosophers of old.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Asher
If it were truly a monopoly we wouldn't have Apple and Linux.

Clearly there are choices, the fact that people choose Windows is a free market thing.

Tell that to the courts.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Tell that to the courts.

My country has not agreed that Microsoft is a monopoly, for what it's worth.

The fact that some US courts with certifiably loony judges made a ruling I disagree with doesn't mean what they said is right.

Contrary to popular belief in the Linux crowd, Penfield Jackson is not the ultimate authority on operating systems.

[BeBMan]

I wonder if this thread was meant as replacement for our good old "best MBT" threads