Retitled: Modern philosophers are full of it!

[KrazyHorse]

So according to you nobody had ever said, prior to the Greeks:

"The lake froze because it got cold outside"?

[KrazyHorse]

Or: "that mound is there because termites built it"

Or: "Ug died because a big rock fell on his head"

[KrazyHorse]

I might even hazard a guess than somebody prior to the Greeks was imaginative enough to come up with an explanation of a general class of phenomena:

"people die when big rocks fall on them"

[Last Conformist]

You're either drunk of posting slews of separate posts for no reason.

[KrazyHorse]

It's my style, baby.

Get used to it or get lost.

[KrazyHorse]

I'm not drunk. I'm at work.

[Nostromo]

I know, it sounds unbelievable, but its what the historians claim. Prior to a minority of "wise" Greeks like Thales, people explained natural phenomena with supernatural entities like gods or spirit. In one of his plays, for example, Aritophanes mocks Socrates because Socrate claims that clouds explain why it rains, not Zeus. Its not that far off, btw. Recently, some devout christians claimed that Katrina was a punishment from God.

[KrazyHorse]

Nostromo, if you don't understand the difference between proximate and ultimate causes then what the **** have you been doing with your life?

[Nostromo]

I know the difference...

[KrazyHorse]

Then why are you attempting to muddle the two?

[KrazyHorse]

Oh, right.

It's philosophy.

Carry on.

[Nostromo]

What the **** are you talking about? Have you been drinking again? Or is this just another of your arrogant, ill informed and muddleheaded attempts to trash philosophy? I'll repeat : historians, not philosophers, claim that the Greeks introduced naturalistic explanations. No, I'm not trying to muddle the two. The issue is not between proximate and ultimate causes, but between naturalistic explanations and those that are not naturalistic. Sorry, but claiming that God, with Katrina, was out to get the homos isn't a naturalistic explanation. Granted, its not a proximate explanation, but it ain't naturalistic either.

[KrazyHorse]

Sorry, but claiming that God, with Katrina, was out to get the homos isn't a naturalistic explanation.

Claiming that God was out to get the homos with Katrina does not imply that the claimer denies the existence of a proximate naturalistic explanation.



Do you really need me to take you by the hand here?

[KrazyHorse]

I'm pretty ****ing sure that every normal adult human being in the history of the world has, at some point in their lives, provided a naturalistic explanation for something they've seen happen.

Claiming that the Greeks invented that is just plain retarded.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by nostromo
What the **** are you talking about? Have you been drinking again?

Oh, son.

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

Not a drop in the past 96 hours. When I'm drinking I don't bother pointing out the stupidity of others. I engage in my own.