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    I'm taking alot of philosophy classes this semester.... why the hell are so many modern philosophers afraid of the word "force".

    Some like Mills or Raz really get to me. They drone on and on and on about these complicated theories about rejecting a social contract or absolute morality saying they can not be empirically based. Then they produce longwidned arguments about the "most good" and "value satisfaction" and how society should be structured for these things.

    "Should be structured this way" why? They say because it does the most good.

    Well, if you reject moral absolutism or the social contract on the grounds that they are not empirically grounded, how can you make a claim that it is legitimate because it does the "most good."

    Even if they can prove that such philosophies do in fact produce the most good, they reject all philosophies which can not be empirically based, yet, they make their own philosophies without an empirical base as well.

    Sure you may be able to prove what IS the most good, but you never explain *WHY* producing the "most good" is the empirically correct thing.

    They are completely full of themselves and immediately fall into the same traps they accuse others of.

    "Force"

    Why the hell are modern philosophers so afraid of that small five letter word? Is it possibly because when you factor in that among peoples "rational desires" is the not necessarily so rational desire to beat, rob, kill or rape other human beings, that when you factor in force, their neat little ideas fall apart?

    All modern philosophers are so completely full of **** because they COMPLETELY ignore the fact that force not only exists but it is in reality the driving force of the society which we live in today.

    How can you EVER empirically proove the "rectitude" of a philosophy?

    *FORCE* is the only empirical proof of the "rectitude" of a philosophy because if force makes something cease to exist, it logially ceases to be a possibility. The last philosophy or moral action, or person, to withstand force, wins.

    I just got out of 7 hours of lengthy philosophical bull****, explaining in detail how old philosophical norms can not be empirically based, then a lengthy explanation of why another philosophy which is not empirically based is best.

    *finishes foaming at the mouth and waits for responses*

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    ...what?

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    • #3
      Krhm, after trying to read and understand your rant again, I think the ultimate morale of the story is: Don't take philosophy courses.

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      • #4
        Modern philosophers are full of ****


        Fixed

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        • #5
          Originally posted by VJ
          ...what?
          I post off and on on this forum, I am mostly a lurker compared to most posters-even though i've been here now for a long time.

          Congratulations on making a thread on another forum to insult a stranger over the internet! You win!

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          • #6
            I didn't make that thread. I haven't even posted in it. As a lurker, I think you know this Jaguar guy from Apo OT. No need to get offended at him either, the whole Eventis forum is mostly filled with humour which is based on friendly insults like that.

            Oh, and Kucinich speaks the truth

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            • #7
              quit whining Ves, you're such a whiner.
              In da butt.
              "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
              THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
              "God is dead" - Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" - God.

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              • #8
                to be serious though, I agree with you.
                In da butt.
                "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
                THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
                "God is dead" - Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" - God.

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                • #9
                  Who is Raz?


                  I dont recall Mills rational justification for Utilitarianism. Im not sure you cant find non-rational bases for it - intuitionist, after GE Moore, or even religious bases for it (I think one could find plenty of Talmudic quotes that are implicitly utilitarian)


                  Force, Eh? Being able to destroy something only changes what IS. ISTR something from David Hume about getting from an is to an ought.

                  Im still trying find a library copy of Franz Rosenzweigs Star of Redemption. Not sure I want to spend the money to buy it.

                  I have a copy of Mordechai Kaplan waiting for me to read. See how this pragmatist assaults Cohens Neo-kantianism. I wonder if he has anything to say about Spinoza? I wonder if i should read Spinoza?
                  "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Kuciwalker
                    philosophers are full of ****
                    12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                    Stadtluft Macht Frei
                    Killing it is the new killing it
                    Ultima Ratio Regum

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                    • #11
                      I did not understand your rant.

                      In any case, the tradition of thinking that there is no "general interest", but a vast amount of private interests not always compatible with each other stems from modern philosophy.

                      I would imagine that somebody here is more full of **** than modern philosophers
                      "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
                      "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
                      "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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                      • #12
                        Who is Raz?
                        He probably meant Rawls.

                        Or maybe he meant the Rza...
                        Last edited by Nostromo; October 18, 2005, 03:55.
                        Let us be lazy in everything, except in loving and drinking, except in being lazy – Lessing

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                        • #13
                          "Modern philosophy is stupid because I don't understand it."
                          Blah

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by BeBro
                            "Modern philosophy is stupid because I don't understand it."
                            Spot on
                            Let us be lazy in everything, except in loving and drinking, except in being lazy – Lessing

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                            • #15
                              *FORCE* is the only empirical proof of the "rectitude" of a philosophy because if force makes something cease to exist, it logially ceases to be a possibility.


                              That's a misunderstanding of logical possibility.

                              I don't see why people bother with modern philosophers when it comes to ethics. Aristotle is so much more persuasive and a lot brighter than any of them.

                              And why must ethics be empirically based? Do you think that goodness is a feature of the world? Moral realism is not too popular these days.
                              Only feebs vote.

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