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  • #16
    Originally posted by lord of the mark
    Who is Raz?
    Joseph Raz: a middle of the road contemporary ethicist.

    I read some of his papers. They were so tedious I can't really remember anything about them.

    After Wittgenstein, I can't really see why people would complain about ethics not having an empirical basis. Most of our language doesn't, so why should ethics be any different?


    The essential problem with modern philosophers is that they generally don't want to admit things that previous thinkers took for granted. Their reasons for doing so are political more than anything else.

    (1) They don't like the idea that some lives could be simply better than others.

    (2) They don't like the idea that some people could be intrinsically incapable of living such lives.

    (3) They don't like the idea that people could simply be wrong about whether they are in fact doing well in life.

    (4) They don't like the idea that ethics has to do with doing well in life, but substitute for this the idea that ethics is solely about how we treat other people.

    (5) They exalt freedom, individuality and equality over all other values.

    (6) They tend to be hedonists, or at least have theories that don't exclude gutter hedonism.

    In short, they tend to agree with the late 20th century liberal (or watered down countercultural) consensus about morality and the extent of political power. The problem is that it doesn't really work as an ethical theory, whatever its political merits.
    Last edited by Agathon; October 18, 2005, 05:02.
    Only feebs vote.

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    • #17
      Those who think modern philosophers are crazy need look no further than to Aggie for confirmation.

      He happens to be right about empirical ethics, however.
      Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

      It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
      The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Last Conformist
        Those who think modern philosophers are crazy need look no further than to Aggie for confirmation.

        He happens to be right about empirical ethics, however.
        Given that it is well known that I specialize in Ancient Greek Philosophy, this is even more inept than your usual fumblings.
        Only feebs vote.

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        • #19
          So? You're a philosopher, and you're living in the modern age. Ergo, you're a modern philosopher.
          Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

          It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
          The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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          • #20
            umm, I am not sure that works that way.
            urgh.NSFW

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Last Conformist
              So? You're a philosopher, and you're living in the modern age. Ergo, you're a modern philosopher.

              No- the word 'modern' has more than one meaning; and its use in phrases such as 'modern art' or in terms such as 'modernism' is nuanced.

              Sloppy logic and defining.
              Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.

              ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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              • #22
                Originally posted by molly bloom



                No- the word 'modern' has more than one meaning
                Yup. Note, however, that it's I, not Aggie, who decides in which sense I intend it.
                Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

                It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
                The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by molly bloom
                  Sloppy logic and defining.
                  i.e. filosofy
                  12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                  Stadtluft Macht Frei
                  Killing it is the new killing it
                  Ultima Ratio Regum

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                  • #24
                    Your ancestors were climbing trees when my ancestors were discussing PHILOSOPHY!!!
                    Originally posted by Serb:Please, remind me, how exactly and when exactly, Russia bullied its neighbors?
                    Originally posted by Ted Striker:Go Serb !
                    Originally posted by Pekka:If it was possible to capture the essentials of Sepultura in a dildo, I'd attach it to a bicycle and ride it up your azzes.

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                    • #25
                      I'd rather climb a tree than discuss filosofy
                      12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                      Stadtluft Macht Frei
                      Killing it is the new killing it
                      Ultima Ratio Regum

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                      • #26
                        but then again, you're a fisisist
                        "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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                        • #27
                          Which means I actually increase the sum total of human knowledge.
                          12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                          Stadtluft Macht Frei
                          Killing it is the new killing it
                          Ultima Ratio Regum

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                          • #28
                            true

                            when is the phd due btw ?
                            "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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                            • #29
                              Uhh...a while yet

                              2-3 years
                              12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                              Stadtluft Macht Frei
                              Killing it is the new killing it
                              Ultima Ratio Regum

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                              • #30
                                then you'll have 2 to 3 more years before i can welcome you in the club of people with the title of doctor in philosophy then
                                "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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